The UK's Finest Independent Forum for Shooters and Gun Owners. Est 2010.

"I will press the need for greater information sharing,

passenger name records,

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That's called API (Advance Passenger Information) for his information, obviously he/she never flies! It's been gathered and mined for a while at a secret location near Heathrow apparently - so why ask for it now?

Don't forget the UN Global Gun ban that everyone said would never happen, that's been signed has it not?

OK,what about FACTS,first:

1-who is responsible for this mess?-EU Commission in first place!FOR NOT creating/implementing universal standards for deactivated firearms from the year 2010,yes...they done NOTHING in the last 5 years!
And now telling us about deacts turned in full bore used in attacks is bordering on mental case scenario

NO CONFIRMATION ABOUT FULL AUTO FIRE IN PARIS,STILL....!!!

2-who pulled the trigger in last attack?-NON EUROPEANS!!!!so WHY we have to pay the price...?double-for the passports for this cockroaches,too

3-after reading some response of UK shooting bodies I have one advise-GET ON THE STREET/PARLIAMENT SQUARE NOW!!!
Or "die"...with a stanley knife in your hand


PS1.Surrey Police officially admitted in one news paper-they DO NOT HAVE any response on hand if Paris attack type will happen and fire arms police unit is PATHETICALLY equipped and not strong/big enough...(his own wording...)
PS2.For serious minds,look back at Andreas Breivik story and think again,and again-maybe not loud...

polemass wrote:OK,what about FACTS,first:

1-who is responsible for this mess?-EU Commission in first place!FOR NOT creating/implementing universal standards for deactivated firearms from the year 2010,yes...they done NOTHING in the last 5 years!
And now telling us about deacts turned in full bore used in attacks is bordering on mental case scenario

NO CONFIRMATION ABOUT FULL AUTO FIRE IN PARIS,STILL....!!!

2-who pulled the trigger in last attack?-NON EUROPEANS!!!!so WHY we have to pay the price...?double-for the passports for this cockroaches,too

3-after reading some response of UK shooting bodies I have one advise-GET ON THE STREET/PARLIAMENT SQUARE NOW!!!
Or "die"...with a stanley knife in your hand


PS1.Surrey Police officially admitted in one news paper-they DO NOT HAVE any response on hand if Paris attack type will happen and fire arms police unit is PATHETICALLY equipped and not strong/big enough...(his own wording...)
PS2.For serious minds,look back at Andreas Breivik story and think again,and again-maybe not loud...

If you are quoting that Surrey police commissioner it's a load of rubbish ! This thing hasn't got a clue about firearms! He was stating that police need full auto and heavy calibers to defeat the amazing power of the AK47 which appeartly is so powerful and accurate!

I wounder how many straight pull AK verants are held by Surrey FAC holders

If all goes to plan,I will have one next week....

If you are quoting that Surrey police commissioner it's a load of rubbish ! This thing hasn't got a clue about firearms! He was stating that police need full auto and heavy calibers to defeat the amazing power of the AK47 which appeartly is so powerful and accurate!

A bad workman always blames his tools! Clearly knows SFA about tactical firearms and the accuracy of full auto fire. Can someone stop him watching John Woo movies?

Sim G wrote:

Marmite5 wrote:Usual NRA hater stuff from here then.

Usual muppetry from Mercer of the Home Counties Range, you mean, surely....?

Or do you also take the position that the "tough legislation has worked"? The thing is Jenny, you've been shooting since 2012, you haven't had the experience of having your personal property all but confiscated. I have. This "tough legislation" that Mercer reckons has worked saw me loose two full bore semi rifles and a full bore pump action rifle, as well as having a shotgun butchered so it complied with the then introduced legislation. I had my pistols taken in what was effectively two bans. One on centre fire handguns, then four months later, one on rimfire handguns. Not content, I was also the victim of sensationalist, knee jerk legislation when I had to put a <6ft/lb air pistol onto FAC. And now I have the EU looking to take away more of my property, destroy my sport and curtail my freedoms, almost, as it reads, with the blessing of the NRA because previous "tough legislation" has worked!

Yep, and the NRA did precious little then and now it seems that out they trot again, spouting their shiote, which will see my disciplines decimated....

Correct and these bans/"tough legislation" did absolutely nothing to reduce gun crime or improve community safety.

Up until this point I thought that there was general acceptance amongst the shooting community including our "representative" bodies that the previous bans were bad legislation that only effected legal gun owners and did nothing to improve community safety. However it now seems that the NRA are supportive of these bans and adds much credence to the claim that they were supportive of the bans at the time and in collusion with the government and the Home Office just to keep target shooting and bisley functioning at the expense of non TR/bisley gun owners across the country.

If I thought for one moment that handing in my legally owned firearms would make the country safer then I would do so but after decades of "tough legislation" that has only affected legal gun owners and done nothing to make us safer there should be no need for a discussion about the lack of effectiveness of further legislation.

Obviously mercer finds the nfrances/yardley anti gun ownership propaganda more to his taste than the actual facts before us.

I mistakenly thought our grandparents resisted tyranny during WW2 to protect democratic values from a totalitarian regime residing in the depths of the European mainland?
The acquiescence of many of the organisations and individuals within the UK shooting community is unacceptable.
The long-term objectives of the EU is a total ban on civilian ownership. Many in the establishment here would be delighted.
The EU and so-called gun control groups won't stop. If the EU successfully ban one type then it expedites the next ban, for example lever-actions, etc, and the other bans to follow. They will take mine and then they will take yours.
The trade and use of military weapons has no bearing on civilian ownership and the use of firearms for sporting purposes.
This is an erosion of my rights and another example of managed perception to surrender freedoms under the guise of safety or security.

This whjat you are all up against;

Another criminal act and as usualit gets politicised by the Ghouls and abusres of victims:

“If we truly care about this -- if we're going to offer up our thoughts and prayers again, for God knows how many times, with a truly clean conscience -- then we have to do something about the easy accessibility of weapons of war on our streets to people who have no business wielding them.”

- Barack Obama, never letting a crisis (and dead people) go to waste.

Note the "WEAPONS OF WAR" PART!

LAPUA 338 - You would be correct but the cowards have taken over and the spines have been getting removed from the masses for many years - a little bit at a time. Now the people bend and grovel, thankful that "it could have been worse!!"

Todays kids are being dumbed down to compliant androgenous drones - but all parents can do these days is pore over facesitter and twatter.

One things for sure, if this ban, as proposed goes through and is ratified by the UK, you can expect the UK shooting scene to be a hollowed out shell in five years time, the majority of RFD's will have disappeared, lots of ranges and clubs closed up, leaving only a much reduced Target, FT and Service rifle shooting community to carry the torch on.

Without the youngsters coming into the shooting hobby, we will be on our arse, within ten years we will be done, with only "country pursuits" shotgun and staking surviving in ever smaller numbers.

A thorough, calculated extermination of our shooting interest and our shooting history will have taken place, with even Airsoft and deactivated firearms banned.

if this ban ... goes through ... you can expect the UK shooting scene to be a hollowed out shell in five years time ... A thorough, calculated extermination of our shooting interest and our shooting history will have taken place,

My point exactly... I would welkom serious proposals that prevent organised crime & terrorists to get hold of the weapons they are currently using. However this EU proposal ammendment has nothing to do with making Europe safe but everything to do with destroying shooting as a legitimate sport & controlling its population.