SGC 9mm - Catastorphic Failure - Almost lost an eye :(

[Chuck]

blackstuff, I'll accept your thoughts to save me reading the entire thread again LOL Sounds plausible though..and honesty isn't always the best policy when it coms to this sort of thing.

25pdr, on the ball sir (oops) Thanks for keeping our US folks straight..????

Chuck

[TattooedGun]

25pdr - down the butts and on the ball! Quality! :-p

[dick]

Sorry to hear of your misfortune with the LR9 but to be fair I've had two .223's, one .30cal, one .22r/f, a lever action 9mm and now an LR9 from SGC and they've always lived up to my expectations. I had a feed problem on the .30 and they fixed that and an extraction problem on the .22 which came a couple of years after purchase and they fixed that so I can't say I've had any trouble at all. As for homeloads invalidating warranty every gun I've ever bought has been the same. I've been on range when a marlin blew due to a bullet already up the bore and the gun being fired again, that was an insurance job as the manufacturer wouldn't cover the homeloads and that was that. I've seen several .22's with bulged barrels and no-one ever tried warranty on those either. If you haven't got insurance then I would suggest that it's maybe your own fault as many of us do bother to cover ourselves, if I crashed my car I certainly wouldn't immediately blame the manufacturer. AR's have a gas expulsion system built in, one part of which funnels gas over the carrier/bolt and out via the t-handle, excessive pressure would spread the upper and detach the lug as in this case but an overload of 9mm is unlikely to generate such pressure, it only ever occurs on 223's if a bullet has telescoped back in a case upon chambering producing a dramatic over pressure, might I hazard a guess that the 9mm round in question was a low charge resulting in detonation? therefore the explosion as opposed to controlled gas production would have created such an over pressure that the bolt remained closed as the case siezed/fused/disintegrated in the chamber and discharged a small but powerful gas discharge wrecking the reciever as they can do in a .223? It's only a theory but having seen photos on US sites where this has occurred and heard of several semi-autos back in the pistol days I'm not surprised manufacturers only cover factory ammo. Weren't you also the gentleman discussing 9mm loading problems on this site involving your powder measure short charging and not charging at all? Perhaps we should all learn from this to insure our guns and accept the warranty terms when we purchase.

[saddler]

Sorry to hear of your misfortune with the LR9 but to be fair I've had two .223's, one .30cal, one .22r/f, a lever action 9mm and now an LR9 from SGC and they've always lived up to my expectations. I had a feed problem on the .30 and they fixed that and an extraction problem on the .22 which came a couple of years after purchase and they fixed that so I can't say I've had any trouble at all...Perhaps we should all learn from this to insure our guns and accept the warranty terms when we purchase.

A few valid points - a few personal opinions

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Owned several SGC rifles...(was staff discount involved at all ?)

[Magnamaniac]

Was thinking that myself. As it was ppu ammo that caused it, and I am no expert but it looks like a sudden failure not a failure over time, the hand load business is just a smoke screen on not paying out.

A rather harsh second post me thinks

[dick]

[A few valid points - a few personal opinions

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Funny. I've also had six Marlins, a std 357/38, a std 44, a 45lc cowboy, a 38 cowboy, a 357/38 cowboy and now a s/s 357/38. Two taurus revolvers, a 30 and a 357. A Buckmarl LBP. A remington 120 pump and a remington 1187SPS. Five 10/22's in different set ups including Tac-sol and an MOA. That's without the pre-ban pistol list. I don't think it's that many over 30 years plus. My point wasn't to be harsh nor confrontational, if it has read that way I apologise, it's just that I've watched this thread develop and can't really see why the bashing of the maker when I doubt that any other manufacturer would be any different. As for my profile I'll take a look at filling it in.

[saddler]

[A few valid points - a few personal opinions

2 posts, BOTH in this thread, BOTH backing up SGC's viewpoint...
No personal data in Dick's profile.
No post in New Member Intro.
Owned several SGC rifles...(was staff discount involved at all ?)

Funny. I've also had six Marlins, a std 357/38, a std 44, a 45lc cowboy, a 38 cowboy, a 357/38 cowboy and now a s/s 357/38. Two taurus revolvers, a 30 and a 357. A Buckmarl LBP. A remington 120 pump and a remington 1187SPS. Five 10/22's in different set ups including Tac-sol and an MOA. That's without the pre-ban pistol list. I don't think it's that many over 30 years plus. My point wasn't to be harsh nor confrontational, if it has read that way I apologise, it's just that I've watched this thread develop and can't really see why the bashing of the maker when I doubt that any other manufacturer would be any different. As for my profile I'll take a look at filling it in.[/quote]

Remington 120 ? Buckmarl ?
New to me....

A Cornwall, MUST be on tin-miners salary to afford all them gats

[Magnamaniac]

I do not personally know the person who's firearm went south, but looking at his previous threads appears diligent in his reload practices, but the company's lack of customer service and blame deflection is legendary.

Reminds me of a defibrillator we had, where I used to work. Bells and whistles and flawed. I put my neck out when complaining about its ability to miss shock. No I am told by management and makers. So 30s with their sales rep and there recalled.

Point is there's no smoke without fire, and perhaps the person who's eye nearly got taken out knows more then then SGC, and the reply from SGC only made me think of blame throwing .

Think the courts should take care of it now.

[Blu]

As much as I hate to say it I don't think you can win this one. You've stated on here that you have fired hand loads through it, you should have kept that quiet. I went to the SGC website and checked their downloadable users manual, in every one of them and usually on page two it states

SOUTHERN GUN CO LTD RECOMMENDS THE EXCLUSIVE USE OF ORIGINAL,HIGH-QUALITY, COMMERCIALLY MANUFACTURED AMMUNITION IN GOOD
CONDITION THAT IS APPROPRIATE TO THE CALIBER OF THE CARBINE.
SOUTHERN GUN CO LTD DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE USE OF
REMANUFACTURED AMMUNITION AND DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE USE
OF HAND-LOADED AMMUNITION. THE USE OF HAND-LOADED
AMMUNITION WILL EXPRESSLY INVALIDATE THE WARRANTY.

If the assumption that the folks at SGC read this forum is correct, they smiled when they read what you wrote. I understand how you feel but I believe you would be wasting valuable time and money pursuing this in court. Hey I'm sorry it's not what you need to be reading, just trying to be realistic is all.

Blu

[Blu]

BTW, has SGC returned the firearm to you? They may have, I'm just too lazy to read the whole thread again.

Blu