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THIS IS ALL bo...cks! Enough of the fvcking (harmful) wives' tales please.

AHPP wrote:THIS IS ALL bo...cks! Enough of the fvcking (harmful) wives' tales please.

:goodjob:

I understand ACPO FELWG has recently written to FLMs advising LBPs and, S1 shotguns when being using for target shotgun, are to be to be treated in the same way as other S1 firearms, when being used by a Home Office approved club. This means club members can use any firearms covered by their club's Home Offfice approval including LBPs and S1 shotguns.

This, and it is, guidance resulted from a recent unsuccessful attempt at prosecuting a club which had a Buckmark LBP entered onto its certificate as a rifle, or so I believe.

In relation to 50 bmg, a few years ago the Home office was enterIng a condition on new clubs approval preventing them from possessing, on a club certificate, any rifle with a muzzle energy in excess of 10,000 foot pound. This meant, only those in lawful possession, or with authority to acquire could actually shoot such rifles whilst members of the clubs concerned. The UK FIfty Calibre Shooters Association had this condition entered on its first HO approval notification. I don't believe this condition is being actively used by the Home Office any more.

Ceri

Cj10 wrote:In relation to 50 bmg, a few years ago the Home office was enterIng a condition on new clubs approval preventing them from possessing, on a club certificate, any rifle with a muzzle energy in excess of 10,000 foot pound. This meant, only those in lawful possession, or with authority to acquire could actually shoot such rifles whilst members of the clubs concerned. The UK FIfty Calibre Shooters Association had this condition entered on its first HO approval notification. I don't believe this condition is being actively used by the Home Office any more.

Ceri

I am almost certain that my old university club had the 10,000ft/lb restriction on its first approval from 2009/10 or thereabouts. Will get hold of the secretary and check.

Cj10 wrote:I understand ACPO FELWG has recently written to FLMs advising LBPs and, S1 shotguns when being using for target shotgun, are to be to be treated in the same way as other S1 firearms, when being used by a Home Office approved club. This means club members can use any firearms covered by their club's Home Offfice approval including LBPs and S1 shotguns.

Ceri

This would certainly be welcome! Couldn't see it in the latest release of the minutes though;

http://www.acpo.police.uk/ProfessionalP ... Group.aspx

Still some interesting points though; looks like some naughty company is trying to import tannerite and someone has come up with a .45 lever action pistol?? Would be interested in the details of that, i.e. whther its a lever release action pistol or just a 'pistol' in the american sense that its a short rifle with no stock?

Blackstuff wrote:and someone has come up with a .45 lever action pistol?? Would be interested in the details of that, i.e. whther its a lever release action pistol or just a 'pistol' in the american sense that its a short rifle with no stock?

More than likely they're referring to the "Mares Leg" pistol. Versions of which are made by Rossi, Henry and others.

http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-mares-leg.cfm

http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=17

http://wildwestmerchandise.com/index.ph ... cPath=1_16



My guess is someone has asked their FLO about the legality of the Mares Leg without looking at the fact they fall into the 12/24 rule and are legal in the UK.

I chopped my Winchester with a view to turn it into a ML, but in the end I decided it was better with a full stock - but if I get my hands on another 357 Winchester Legacy stock, I'll happily chop it down!

I do like the take down version with Octagonal barrel, a perfect back pack size for the motorbike, all I need is a local range to shoot one at.

IMHO these firearms are "rifles" within the limits of S15 Firearms (amendment) Act 1988 and thus may be possessed (within the limits of that Act) without a Firearm Certificate by any member of a Home Office Approved club.

I am not a lawyer and my opinion is worth in court what you paid for it.

Iain

.50BMG? As far as I am aware you can shoot one of these without special dispensation if you are dim enough to want to do so

Why would someone be considered dim for wanting to shoot a 50BMG?

They have no more felt recoil then the average 12 bore shotgun using a 3 inch mag slug load.
We shoot them quite often. My Nephew has one.

...unlike the laws in the country where the Mare's Leg was designed, there'd be nothing to stop us UK chaps from modifying a full size lever action into such an item...then back again...or any half-way point inbetween; as long as the 12" barrel/24" overall length rule is adhered to...

As an example, lots of UK straight-pull AR15 owners install VERY short barrels on their carbines & don't encounter legal problems in doing so...

The Mare's Leg design is quite interesting aesthetically...better than the LBR's & LBP's previously on offer...

Could make for an interesting mini-CAS type event/stage