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The essential 'OOPS' tool.... I agree!!!Robin128 wrote:MiLisCer
Never mind about neck tension ... FFS ... but what ever you get...don't forget your RCBS kinetic bullet puller!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibBrpUO39REDaveT wrote:MiLisCer wrote:No, the wife keeps looking over my shoulder!spud wrote:For arguments sake , why not give us a budget and see what we can get for that budget. Then we can discuss merits and non merits for selected items.
Dave - I like this post - Ill keep my reading going and then I think I'll be seeing you on one of your courses with BASC (I am a trade member)DaveT wrote:Just a suggestion but maybe its worth looking at this from another 'slant'...... rather than get tangled up in tool selection from the outset instead firstly be sure that you understand the basic reloading steps.....Brass Prep, Priming, Powder charging and Bullet seating.....break down and research each stage to get a sense of the 'must do' and optional techniques THEN look at the tool options based upon NEED & BUDGET.
As a simple example you can pay something like £16 for a Lee primer tool or £100 for a Sinclair and both do a good job.... I have & love my Sinclair but would struggle to justify the cost.
Conversely I have standard Forster dies in 308 which seem to work well BUT I am far happier using Redding bushing Neck sizers where I can decide what neck tension I want along with Body dies to adjust the case shoulder if I think that the headspace needs a slight adjustment to make chambering easier.... I KNOW what case sizing I am getting because I CHOOSE it based upon undertanding the related dangers and limits.
With standard dies you get whatever case resizing the manufacturer decides and if , for example , that creates greater headspace than is desireable (or worse still .. than is safe) then without understanding what this measure is AND checking it...... you could get into trouble.
The point is that you need to get deeper into the reloading process technicalities (and gain a better understanding of the related efficiency / safety aspects) in order to make informed choices about tools....even if you have a limitless budget.
I have a friendly "old" soul who has agreed to show me the ropes locally - he was around when Noah built the ark, so should be interesting - I can listen to him for hours anyway!
Mike
Getting someone to show you is worth a thousand words of printed advice BUT please DON'T assume that anyones advice is 'gospel'....... continue your own research... I can thoroughly recommend a read of Glen Zedickers book 'Handloading for Competition ...Making the target bigger'....... the language is quirky / folksy Americana but the content is first class stuff. Most reloading books are pretty basic which is fine as far as they go whilst most reloading manuals assume that you know your stuff ...this book covers the intervening and advanced techniques in language which outlines the WHY.
Found the book on Amazon for silly money - then found it direct from Zediker publishing - book ordered :)DaveT wrote:MiLisCer wrote:No, the wife keeps looking over my shoulder!spud wrote:For arguments sake , why not give us a budget and see what we can get for that budget. Then we can discuss merits and non merits for selected items.
Dave - I like this post - Ill keep my reading going and then I think I'll be seeing you on one of your courses with BASC (I am a trade member)DaveT wrote:Just a suggestion but maybe its worth looking at this from another 'slant'...... rather than get tangled up in tool selection from the outset instead firstly be sure that you understand the basic reloading steps.....Brass Prep, Priming, Powder charging and Bullet seating.....break down and research each stage to get a sense of the 'must do' and optional techniques THEN look at the tool options based upon NEED & BUDGET.
As a simple example you can pay something like £16 for a Lee primer tool or £100 for a Sinclair and both do a good job.... I have & love my Sinclair but would struggle to justify the cost.
Conversely I have standard Forster dies in 308 which seem to work well BUT I am far happier using Redding bushing Neck sizers where I can decide what neck tension I want along with Body dies to adjust the case shoulder if I think that the headspace needs a slight adjustment to make chambering easier.... I KNOW what case sizing I am getting because I CHOOSE it based upon undertanding the related dangers and limits.
With standard dies you get whatever case resizing the manufacturer decides and if , for example , that creates greater headspace than is desireable (or worse still .. than is safe) then without understanding what this measure is AND checking it...... you could get into trouble.
The point is that you need to get deeper into the reloading process technicalities (and gain a better understanding of the related efficiency / safety aspects) in order to make informed choices about tools....even if you have a limitless budget.
I have a friendly "old" soul who has agreed to show me the ropes locally - he was around when Noah built the ark, so should be interesting - I can listen to him for hours anyway!
Mike
Getting someone to show you is worth a thousand words of printed advice BUT please DON'T assume that anyones advice is 'gospel'....... continue your own research... I can thoroughly recommend a read of Glen Zedickers book 'Handloading for Competition ...Making the target bigger'....... the language is quirky / folksy Americana but the content is first class stuff. Most reloading books are pretty basic which is fine as far as they go whilst most reloading manuals assume that you know your stuff ...this book covers the intervening and advanced techniques in language which outlines the WHY.
christel wrote:Bloody things
I too like cows - preferably medium rare with mushrooms and fries
We do have our own lambs though!
Mike
I like cows though, they are just the cutest.