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Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:06 pm
by Sim G
Flat point expanding bullets are OK in guns with tubular magazines as it prevents the possibility of explosions in the tube. See para 3.16 of the HO guidance to police 2002, if memory serves me right.

Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:22 pm
by Chapuis
tikkathreebarrels I'm curious why you used A-Max for stalking. Was it because you were under the impression that it was a dual purpose bullet perhaps because of previous information in Hornady manuals, or did you think that it was classed as an expanding bullet?

Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:27 pm
by Alpha1
Just in case you guys cause a storm with all your questions to the organisations I am going to buy a couple 1000 of 155g A MAX bullits as soon as the dealers open on Tuesday and hide them under the stairs. :good:

Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:31 pm
by Chapuis
The simple solution is to repeal the legislation that outlawed expanding ammunition, after all it serves no useful purpose and only impedes the lawful shooters in the enjoyment of their sport. I don't see expanding bullets as being anymore dangerous than those classified as non expanding, in fact quite the opposite.

Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:45 am
by tikkathreebarrels
Chapuis wrote:tikkathreebarrels I'm curious why you used A-Max for stalking. Was it because you were under the impression that it was a dual purpose bullet perhaps because of previous information in Hornady manuals, or did you think that it was classed as an expanding bullet?
I had read articles in American magazines which implied a dual use.

Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:43 am
by Chapuis
Understandable given the previous information given out by Hornady.

Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:21 am
by tikkathreebarrels
Chapuis wrote:Understandable given the previous information given out by Hornady.
Well, as I say, never again.

Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:08 am
by Sandgroper
Sim G wrote:Unfortunately, the Hornady site now describes A-maxes as; (See the first "bullet" point)

A-MAX® NOW featuring AMP™ bullet jackets!
Designed by match shooters for match shooters. With an ultra-low drag tip, our A-Max match bullets feature an aerodynamic secant ogive that delivers flat trajectories with excellent uniformity and concentricity. Find out more...

.Rapid, explosive expansion with limited penetration.
.Recommended muzzle velocity range: 2000+ fps.
.These bullets are not recommended for hunting medium and large game.



A-maxes in target applications in the UK may have had their day....... I've still got a couple of hundred! :cool2:
That description applies to Hornady Match bullets as well! :G

http://www.hornady.com/bullets about half way down.
Match™ NOW featuring AMP™ bullet jackets!

The profile of the Hornady Match bullet delivers low drag and flat trajectories with the best ballistic coefficient possible. It's swaged lead core provides uniformity and concentricity for accuracy at long ranges. Find out more...

Rapid, explosive expansion with limited penetration.
Recommended muzzle velocity range: 2000+ fps.
These bullets are not recommended for hunting medium and large game.

Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:22 am
by tikkathreebarrels
Sandgroper wrote:
http://www.hornady.com/bullets about half way down.
Match™ NOW featuring AMP™ bullet jackets!

The profile of the Hornady Match bullet delivers low drag and flat trajectories with the best ballistic coefficient possible. It's swaged lead core provides uniformity and concentricity for accuracy at long ranges. Find out more...

Rapid, explosive expansion with limited penetration.

These bullets are not recommended for hunting medium and large game
.
From the latter, in bold, I have to say that in UK terms, deer above roe would be construed as medium and large game. So, Hornady would appear to be touting AMax for varmints and small game.

Re: A Max's now categorised as expanding ammunition

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:33 am
by Chapuis
Previously Hornady have stated to me in an email that A-Max were not intended to expand and had not been tested as such.

It now seems that there may have been some sort of re-design or are they just trying to be all things to all men?
There seems to be a lot of contradictory marketing hype which is only confusing the issue with regard to possession and use in the U.K.
The way that I see it now is that there is no difference between A-Max and V-Max???? If so why are they marketing the same product differently?????