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Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:41 pm
by Chapuis
Most of the so called rescue knives are a joke nothing more than toys really. One of the best pocket knives for serious rescue work is the Eickhorn.

Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 10:27 pm
by Porcupine
TattooedGun wrote:with a folding knife, can you carry them all the time (presuming they arent lockable). would you ever get in to any bother carrying one?

Theres always a good use for a knife, and they come in handy at the oddest of times, but I dont know the legal ramifications of carrying one out and about?
An old post but I'll answer:

The UK law on knives specifically is as follows:
  • It is illegal to carry a sharp or pointed object (it does not specify a knife)
  • An exemption to this is a folding pocket knife with a cutting edge not greater than 3" in length
  • Case law established that a folding pocket knife with a blade that locks in the open position is not in fact a 'folding' pocket knife
Additionally, it is illegal to carry any article whatsoever that is designed or adapted (i.e. modified or 'adopted for the purposes of') causing injury (an 'offensive weapon' - even if it doesn't have curse words written on it).

However: How often are you searched by the police? Most people never have been and never will be. Even if you are found with an illegal knife, 20% get a caution, 30% get a community sentence, 13% get a suspended sentence, and only 21% get sent to prison. The starting point for a prison sentence is 12 weeks, and 40% of those jailed get this or less. That's based on both the offence of possessing a sharp or pointed object, and of possessing an offensive weapon where the weapon in question was a knife. You actually have a better chance of a caution and less chance of jail time if it is recorded as an offensive weapon.

So I wouldn't suggest you take much notice of the law, and if you do carry something illegal then try and get nicked for an offensive weapon instead of a knife!

Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 5:17 am
by John25
ovenpaa wrote:
dromia wrote:I like and use Opinels.
Mine must be 35 years old now, snapped the tip off within a week other than that it holds a nice edge and is a handy knife. Sadly it is deemed to be illegal now.

Sadly, my trusty Opinell was consigned to the tool box after a brief conversation with a sergeant of the constabulary!

My Leatherman click, permanently attached to my belt when I was working, now stays in the car as the blade is deemed to lock, following a similar conversation.

The world has gone mad. Bring back the noose, that'll stop knife crime.

Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 6:06 am
by tikkathreebarrels
Mike357 wrote:http://www.coldsteel-uk.com/?gclid=CJnp ... 4Qodux-i8w

http://www.heinnie.com/

Should be something in there that fits the bill DM

A double ++ from me. Hennie I would recommend thoroughly.

I have several Coldsteel knives, a sheathed stalking knife, a short sheathed blade and a folder somewhere (I'm the kind of former Boy Scout who keeps different knives here and there in different parts of my kit) in my camera kit.

Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 7:44 am
by MartinC
I own about half a dozen Opinel knives in various sizes. They are excellent as they hold a decent edge and are cheap enough not to worry about losing one.

Most of my shooting coats have one in the pocket

Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 7:48 am
by M99
An old thread dragged back to life, did you ever get what you were after DM?

I would throw the Gerber Gator in to the mix - had one for over 20 years now, having picked one up at Patrick USAFB in '91

Mike

Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 9:01 am
by TattooedGun
Porcupine wrote:
TattooedGun wrote:...
An old post but I'll answer:

The UK law on knives specifically is as follows:
  • It is illegal to carry a sharp or pointed object (it does not specify a knife)
  • An exemption to this is a folding pocket knife with a cutting edge not greater than 3" in length
  • Case law established that a folding pocket knife with a blade that locks in the open position is not in fact a 'folding' pocket knife
Additionally, it is illegal to carry any article whatsoever that is designed or adapted (i.e. modified or 'adopted for the purposes of') causing injury (an 'offensive weapon' - even if it doesn't have curse words written on it).

However: How often are you searched by the police? Most people never have been and never will be. Even if you are found with an illegal knife, 20% get a caution, 30% get a community sentence, 13% get a suspended sentence, and only 21% get sent to prison. The starting point for a prison sentence is 12 weeks, and 40% of those jailed get this or less. That's based on both the offence of possessing a sharp or pointed object, and of possessing an offensive weapon where the weapon in question was a knife. You actually have a better chance of a caution and less chance of jail time if it is recorded as an offensive weapon.

So I wouldn't suggest you take much notice of the law, and if you do carry something illegal then try and get nicked for an offensive weapon instead of a knife!
None of the above, well apart from the caution seem like a good idea if I want to retain my firearms license!

Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 10:28 am
by Porcupine
True, I guess I take that for granted as I could just stop working in the UK if I did ever lose my license! None the less, I think people worry about the letter of the law far too much. You're very unlikely ever to get caught so carry what you want :good:

Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:10 am
by Christel
Chapuis wrote:Most of the so called rescue knives are a joke nothing more than toys really. One of the best pocket knives for serious rescue work is the Eickhorn.
German quality O:-)

Re: Which folding knife?

Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:47 am
by dromia
You mean like the Euro? ;)