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dromia wrote:Accuracy is relative not absolute.

Very true. Christel's brother and I spent a pleasant afternoon shooting knock down targets at 600m with my 4(T) last year, it did it shot after shot and we were both dead chuffed, same week I was trying to put 5 shots inside a 1" disk again at 600m with my 7mmC

I think in many respects the 4(T) gave as good results as the FO rifle, different expectations but I was every bit as pleased with both rifles.

Rox....I agree about the metal stocks, not too many in evidence in FB, plenty in SB though. Never seen the attraction myself. A fellow Club member did try one and gave up after one season, far too many variables, constant adjustments, never really got to grips with it (literally).

I would also agree that "F" Class open is probably the Formula 1 of shooting, with Target Rifle well up there in Formula 2 (or better), for myself I am more in the Classic Saloon/Sports Car class, some unkind folks might say more in Old Banger Class, I don't care, you know who you are and I can still shoot better than you.....he, he.

As far as standard target rifle is concerned I do feel that the NRA has not reacted sufficiently to the improvements in rifles and ammunition in reducing target dimensions. The original NRA targets were designed for .303" and with the change to 7.62 the results were not that much better, if at all, so targets remained the same. Better rifles, such as the Swing, came along and scores improved, the "V" bull was introduced to help break the ties.

Trouble is that in previous years it took a good shot to get a possible, now an averagely good shot with a good rifle and good ammunition can get a possible. Now, this may be very encouraging for the average shot but in competition there needs to be a clear distinction between the good and the averagely good and I think that the time is well past that the NRA should have introduced the 10 ring target. When you are marking a 600 yard target and somebody can be shooting a 1/2 minute group with a flat elevation plot and somebody a 1&1/4 minute group with a similarly vertical dispersion and both getting the same score, it does seem a little unfair.

The ten ring target would at least show the better shooter for what they are, and having used them some years ago in competition I found that my group centering and group sizes improved, so I dont think there is any reason to put off.

Going back to the motor racing analogy, today Thoroughbred Grand Prix cars are lapping faster in the hands of their amateur owner/drivers than they did in their day in the hands of the professionals, that is due to technological advances in tyres, brakes, engine management, track surfaces etc., ......very similar in effect to what is happening Target Rifle.

I'd quite like to have a go at pistols,but since we're not deemed responsible enough i'd have to leave the UK.

*Yes i know we have LBR and muzzle loaders (i still have a 44 M/L slot to fill),but its not quite the same.

Steve wrote:I'd quite like to have a go at pistols,but since we're not deemed responsible enough i'd have to leave the UK.

I never shot proper pistol but now I have had a go with the 1911 .22, I can understand what ex pistol shooters are missing.

Shot my Glock 17 today, would like to have a go with a handgun that is competition ready to feel the difference.

I would like to have time & money for:

Clay Pigeon,
Practical Shotgun
Practical Rifle &
F Open.

If money and space was not so tight then I would be interested in having a Second World war collection, but that is way down the list.

DM,

I ran a couple of "racegun" pistols in the practical pistol days, one on the 1911 platform and the other on a CZ platform. Compared to a Glock? Keeping with the motoring theme, a Ford Transit van and a Lotus Elise!!

My CZ was a 9x21 loaded to major. Imagine almost .357 magnum ballistics (with the blast!) and a compensator that gave almost nil muzzle flip, the recoil impulse coming straight back. Best shot with an isocoles stance using the arms like pistons.

The .45 1911 was fully tricked! In 1994, it cost my wife nearly £2500! (It was my wedding present). Nothing I own or shoot today will compensate for that gun.....

Practical shotgun can only be described as an absolute hoot!

Dangermouse wrote:Shot my Glock 17 today, would like to have a go with a handgun that is competition ready to feel the difference.

I would like to have time & money for:

Clay Pigeon,
Practical Shotgun
Practical Rifle &
F Open.

If money and space was not so tight then I would be interested in having a Second World war collection, but that is way down the list.

You should definitely make some time to at least try Practical Shotgun and Shield isn't that far away from you!



Looking forward to another session tomorrow and i've got a new HD helmet camera to try out, woo!

I did the UKPSA safety course some 4 years back but due to transport problems until recently, could never attend Harlow. Having a Hatsan which did not load easily was also a reason for not attending.
I hope to see it a lot closer to home in the next couple of years, perhaps then I will do a little more that Target and shotgun festival events.

DM

I'm assuming slugs are in use?

:)

Slugs are used for the target shotgun events but shot is used for the falling plates and and moving targets or clays that are incorporated into a course of fire,

DM