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Yes I read that, but I'm not sure I buy into the argument. As far as I'm aware, the Bren's receiver doesn't determine if it's semi-auto or full-auto, it's the sear, the select fire switch and the bolt/bolt carrier isn't it?

http://www.projectguns.com/bren2.html

Ultimately the problem with any future conversion, is finding an RFD with enough time and money to develop the project and then subject it to firearms forensic scrutiny. On top of that, it's their neck on the chopping block and probably for not a lot of profit either.

snayperskaya wrote:I think the difference, as someone said earlier, is that the Bren was a full -auto receiver not semi-auto only.A full-auto (or a select-fire capable) receiver would always remain sec5 regardless of the status of the other parts used to make up a straight-pull version.

I'm going off at a tangent here but;

I watched the fillum 'Seige at Jadotville' the other night. There is a bit where a sniper who normally uses a Lee Enfield with scope is asked to kill a civilian at some considerable range, probably more than 500 yards, but puts his LE down and picks up a Bren (LMG?) and loads it manually (round straight into the breach) and picks off the target in one shot. Surely the scoped LE would have been better for the job.

HALODIN wrote:Yes I read that, but I'm not sure I buy into the argument. As far as I'm aware, the Bren's receiver doesn't determine if it's semi-auto or full-auto, it's the sear, the select fire switch and the bolt/bolt carrier isn't it?

http://www.projectguns.com/bren2.html

Ultimately the problem with any future conversion, is finding an RFD with enough time and money to develop the project and then subject it to firearms forensic scrutiny. On top of that, it's their neck on the chopping block and probably for not a lot of profit either.

snayperskaya wrote:I think the difference, as someone said earlier, is that the Bren was a full -auto receiver not semi-auto only.A full-auto (or a select-fire capable) receiver would always remain sec5 regardless of the status of the other parts used to make up a straight-pull version.

Section 7 firearms act 1988 down conversions doesn't say anything about full auto recivers
The act just bans such weapons and makes down conversions of any section 5 (except for shotguns) guns illegal

joe wrote:

HALODIN wrote:British firearm laws are as clear as mud... the irony is a full-bore semi-auto receiver is also section 5 and if you follow Gavin's logic of only fully assembled firearms can constitute a S5 status, then surely SA or FA can be broken down and rebuilt... Frustrating...

bnz41 wrote:"because once broken down and jumbled up, it's not S5 any more".
In the building of something like a L1A1 then that is correct it's a rifle, but a Bren Gun is a machine gun so the receiver is sec5 so you cannot use it in a straight pull rebuild. This is how I understand the rule.
Some Ak's are full auto you can't use those receivers as straight pull rifles.

I'm pretty sure that those uk legal AK's that are built in Russia the manufacture uses the same recivers for all their rifles be it semi or full auto
Are sure you not getting confused with the de act regulations? Their mention something on full auto weapons being deactivated etc

The AK rifles built in Russia are brand new and nothing on them has ever been used so they were never sec5 so when brought over here they are sec1 only. My reference to some AK's being sec5 was a EU company was building them from used full auto receivers and offering them for sale here once they were told about the sec5 issue they removed them from the UK listing.

Nelly2014 wrote:I'm going off at a tangent here but;

I watched the fillum 'Seige at Jadotville' the other night. There is a bit where a sniper who normally uses a Lee Enfield with scope is asked to kill a civilian at some considerable range, probably more than 500 yards, but puts his LE down and picks up a Bren (LMG?) and loads it manually (round straight into the breach) and picks off the target in one shot. Surely the scoped LE would have been better for the job.

Hollywood thinks they know best !!

It isn't a conversion, because the base parts are being reused in other firearms. That's the idea of there being no such thing as a S5 part, just a S5 firearm.

joe wrote:Section 7 firearms act 1988 down conversions doesn't say anything about full auto recivers
The act just bans such weapons and makes down conversions of any section 5 (except for shotguns) guns illegal

HALODIN wrote:It isn't a conversion, because the base parts are being reused in other firearms. That's the idea of there being no such thing as a S5 part, just a S5 firearm.

joe wrote:Section 7 firearms act 1988 down conversions doesn't say anything about full auto recivers
The act just bans such weapons and makes down conversions of any section 5 (except for shotguns) guns illegal

That's my point ! Hence there is no such thing as a section 5 reciver

Glad we agree... :)

Ok,great-so when is it coming out then???the Bren-SP or LR or MARS???

polemass wrote:Ok,great-so when is it coming out then???the Bren-SP or LR or MARS???

In your dreams - that's when