Barclays Bank.............

[ovenpaa]

if Barclays fail to remedy the situation, the NRA Chief Executive has also advised Barclays that:-

1. The NRA would advise all Clubs to move their Banking to another Bank.

That would be a bit of a result for Barclays who have been distancing themselves from shooting related sports and businesses for a while.

[hitchphil]

NRA bank with Barclays!

[Triffid]

My Club Treasurer has just received a letter requesting that he contact the Bank (Barclays) "regarding the details they hold". . .

Thanks chaps, fore-warned is for fore-armed.

Triffid

[TattooedGun]

Further information from our treasurer after following up on this request, treasurer name redacted:

Today I contacted the Police Firearms Dept, for Staffs & West Mids. Spoke to F.A Police officer Brett Oakes, he said that
as far as they are concerned they don't mind the FAC copy being sent to Barclays.
The "Bank Compliance" is legal under banking regulations, and is to ensure that the Club account signatories, are officials of the club.

Here's what the NRA chap said. We can assure you that, we are all over this like a rash.
The NRA of Great Britain, Chief Executive contacted the Chief Executive of BARCLAYS BANK, and informed them that this practice
is not in the interests of safety.

if Barclays fail to remedy the situation, the NRA Chief Executive has also advised Barclays that:-

1. The NRA would advise all Clubs to move their Banking to another Bank.
2. The NRA would advise all individual members, if personally banking with Barclays, to change to another bank.
3. The NRA would advise individual members, who have business accounts with Barclays, to change to another bank.

that would amount to quite a few million accounts, both personal and business.

Finally, the NRA said, that to comply, we only need to supply a copy of the top page with no other information.
This would confirm the Secretary as one of the signatories. The NRA also advises that we personally visit our local
Branch of Barclays to Provide this copy of the top page, no emailing, no scanning, no photocopy, no post.

The person at Barclays who initiated this debacle, was [redacted], from Barclays Compliance team. We
should advise the local branch that we need confirmation that information has been received by said [redacted].

It is also my suggestion that if the club FAC needs to be presented, as ours has the secretary's home address on, this section should be removed, leaving only the name in the contact information box, however this is my own opinion and has not been suggested by the NRA or the Firearms Dept. But surely poses a security risk of giving out club members personal information.

Barclays staff name also redacted for security, lest anyone nefarious finds this thread and uses the name provided to try some phonecalls for themselves...

It's worth noting that it has been pointed out to me by the NRA represented that was spoken to here, that this information has been mis-quoted and is an oversimplified result of a conversation that lasted over an hour.

Of course it is not a direct transcript of the conversation that took place, but is a paraphrased recount by the treasurer of my club, and as such is not to be taken verbatim.

As has been described to me that what I have is a paraphrased account o what the chief exec of the NRA has said to Barclays, paraphrased again to the NRA representative and again paraphrased by my treasurer. I'm sure you'd agree, theres a lot of scope for speculation within this type of message relaying (chinese whispers).

I was informed that

[your treasurer] has not mentioned the fundamental advice (or you have not reproduced it) repeated several times in the conversation that what Barclays are trying to do is unexceptional in the light of recent banking legislation requiring them to do due diligence on their customers, and we believe that answering certain questions and providing copies of certain documents (HO approval and front page of FAC) is acceptable.

In light of this I had asked for certain parts of my original post to be removed, however this has not been done, and henceforth I have added this amendment to my post.

Take of this information what you will, but of course, it is not gospel or a direct quote from any of the representatives.

[Chuck]

what Barclays are trying to do is unexceptional in the light of recent banking legislation requiring them to do due diligence on their customers,

Maybe they should do it on themselves!

[snayperskaya]

I asked at my club today if Barclays had contacted them (they bank with Barclays) and they haven't been and was told that even if they were contacted they would not provide any details to Barclays due to data protection and security.

[Mike95]

Had a conversation with Barclays today ref transfer of club account signatories. I was asked various questions about the guns held by the club and the members. What guns were held, where were they held...etc
I refused to give any information and asked why the bank were asking for this. I was told this was to "protect the bank's money"...when I finished laughing I explained that the money in question belonged to the club and not to Barclays. Did they think a hold up was planned? Further questions..."did the club ever receive money from abroad"...

The account has been open since 1984 with just a few hundred a year going in, all cheques. I asked again why all the questions and I was told that these were "new regulations" from the Financial Services Authority. I can only assume that the FSA are in league with our security services and looking at anything involving a rifle. Perhaps the FSA want to form a shooting club...

The Barclays person said that "she could sense that I was getting annoyed with the questioning"...very astute of her. Questioning then ceased and apparently all is now ok with the club bank account...

What is going on?

Mike95

[daman]

I asked again why all the questions and I was told that these were "new regulations" from the Financial Services Authority. I can only assume that the FSA are in league with our security services and looking at anything involving a rifle. Perhaps the FSA want to form a shooting club...

I don't follow this. Surely if it was down to new FSA regs, then all the banks would be asking questions.

So far, I've only heard of Barclays getting nosey. My main club (where I'm treasurer) banks with NatWest and I've not had any queries from them.

[Triffid]

The Treasurer of my club had his conversation with a lady from Barclays yesterday . .

" . . . she said she of needed to see the home office approval for the club and the club FAC. I point blankly refused explaining that would break the data protection act and not all clubs (i.e. none shooting) would have that kind of proof. She said she would go back to their legal team and see what they would say after dropping a hint that some banks would not even open an account for a club like ours.

I can see that (with all the money laundering legislation) they may need to make sure I am who I say I am and that the club is a valid club. Interestingly she had been on our website to get some details
So waiting to see if their legal department is going to say anything or if it will just go away. . . "

Interestingly the NRA being 'all over it like a rash' doesn't seem to have had much effect so far.

Triffid

[dromia]

The only rash the NRA and the rest of the "national" failures will get on our behalf is herpes from being regularly shafted by the world and his wife under the pretence of supporting gun owners and shooters.