A Salutory Tale and Warning

[dromia]

This thread should be read in conjunction with this one, I have considered merging them but fear they would loose whatever sense they might contain.

http://www.full-bore.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=26192

Whist I can agree that the document/guidance seems reasonable on the face of it at the end of the day it is down to the interpretation and application of individuals.

I have very little faith in the integrity of todays "professionals", generalisation I know and apologies to those GPs that will do the right thing however I suspect that they will not be the majority.

Firearms licensing are applying a risk assessment approach now to managing renewals and variations which means that they are totally risk averse and the slightest cause for doubt will end in refusal without further investigation as to the proportionality of any perceived risk.

I also doubt the enthusiasm of our "representatives" to champion the cause, they seem to be fine on the odd one off member issue but have seen them walk away from members with multiple claims around the same issue. Remember they have signed up to this on our behalf.

Firearms licensing want to reduce the number of certificate holders and the number of firearms held, there are many GPs who see no reason for public ownership of firearms, this combined with national organisations who use our membership fees on anal lubricant so they can get regularly shafted on our behalf cannot bode well for shooters and gun owners.

[sharps4065]

It actually means the police did their job and stopped someone obtaining a SGC who, by the guidelines set out, should not have one.

If it was unfairly done then that applicant has the right to an appeal.
If he doesnt appeal then I suspect there is more going on than said.

2 pints a night is excessive with the guidlines...? And could YOU afford to go through the appeal process without the financial backing (and knowledge) of an umbrella organisation like BASC? "See you in court" is quite the smug attitude of many authorities knowing full well that many first time applicants will go "oh bugger it! it's not worth the hassle"

I too have joined the ranks of grumpy old sods. My membership thereof is harden everytime I hear of another attack on shooting sports.

[ordnance]

Glad its no coming in here, yet. I tought it was a matter of your GP keeping an eye if you come in for depression etc not caling you in and giving you the third degree.

[ordnance]

Great, glad he got weeded out the system.
We cant have people that drink that much handling firearms.

Mark

I assume you are joking, good one

[JSC]

First of all, I would suggest that exceeding recommended alcohol consumption figures does not necessarily constitute 'alcohol abuse'. That term needs to be clearly defined.

The GP also cannot assume what 'a couple of beers' means in terms of units (unless that was discussed at the time).

In any case, an anti-gun GP (and I've had one myself in the past) could cause all sorts of problems for FAC/SGC applicants and holders if they want to, so cases like this should be properly dealt with before it starts to get out of hand. The BMA guidelines are just too subjective and open to abuse the way it stands now.

[joe]

two pints a night is not evidance of anything let alone intermprete habbits ! any crown court judge should be able to see through this scandel and restore his gun rights ! interammprete habits, were prob designed to stop acrcholics, drug addicts etc from getting hold of guns !
as for drininking guildlines they are not evidance of archolic, just want is appperantly safe to drink

[joe]

First of all, I would suggest that exceeding recommended alcohol consumption figures does not necessarily constitute 'alcohol abuse'. That term needs to be clearly defined.

The GP also cannot assume what 'a couple of beers' means in terms of units (unless that was discussed at the time).

In any case, an anti-gun GP (and I've had one myself in the past) could cause all sorts of problems for FAC/SGC applicants and holders if they want to, so cases like this should be properly dealt with before it starts to get out of hand. The BMA guidelines are just too subjective and open to abuse the way it stands now.

and its on purpose ! the homeo office, police, etc dont like anyone owing guns except for themselves, gun ownership is increasing so they came up with a way of trying to limit / decrease before 'too many' have guns !
knowing they cant get the government to ban at the moment
i'm surpised they havent used the excuse of terrorism to make gun ownership more difficult

[joe]

Great, glad he got weeded out the system.
We cant have people that drink that much handling firearms.

Mark

I assume you are joking, good one

your lucky you dont get this crap in NI

[RDC]

two pints a night is not evidance of anything let alone intermprete habbits ! any crown court judge should be able to see through this scandel and restore his gun rights ! interammprete habits, were prob designed to stop acrcholics, drug addicts etc from getting hold of guns !
as for drininking guildlines they are not evidance of archolic, just want is appperantly safe to drink

How many have you had before posting that? I don't even know some of those words!

[joe]

Two pints a night is not evidence of anything let alone interpret habits! Any crown court judge should be able to see through this scandal and restore his gun rights! interpret habits, were prob designed to stop alcoholics, drug addicts etc from getting hold of guns !
as for drinking guild lines they are not evidence of alcoholic, just want is apparently safe to drink

How many have you had before posting that? I don't even know some of those words!

fixed it !