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zanes wrote:

25Pdr wrote: What I'm getting at Chuck is...There will be dealers all over the EU holding stocks of S5 stuff with the intention of de acting them and selling them on for stupid prices, now their stock is worthless, with respect to most dealers, surely there will be some who will just sell them off ticket and fully functional.

Yes, a legit dealer will quite clearly be able to get away with "losing" a few Section 5s. And it's definitely worth the risk for the sake of a few thousand Euros. And obviously deac collectors will look at the new law and think "f*** it, might as well get the "real" stuff in".

Are you basing some of that PURELY on UK laws & what we can own?
A good few EU countries DO allow private ownership of full-auto as part of a collection or for sporting use.

saddler wrote:

zanes wrote:

25Pdr wrote: What I'm getting at Chuck is...There will be dealers all over the EU holding stocks of S5 stuff with the intention of de acting them and selling them on for stupid prices, now their stock is worthless, with respect to most dealers, surely there will be some who will just sell them off ticket and fully functional.

Yes, a legit dealer will quite clearly be able to get away with "losing" a few Section 5s. And it's definitely worth the risk for the sake of a few thousand Euros. And obviously deac collectors will look at the new law and think "f*** it, might as well get the "real" stuff in".

Are you basing some of that PURELY on UK laws & what we can own?
A good few EU countries DO allow private ownership of full-auto as part of a collection or for sporting use.

I think my point still stands- presumably in those EU countries dealer stock and private holders of full-auto firearms are registered and traced to at least some degree. Or are there some EU countries that haven't implemented any of the EU directives on firearms licensing?

Either way, the comment about "selling them off ticket" read to me like 25pdr was suggesting that some dealers who (through their country's laws) are traceable at an individual firearm level will a) want to and b) be able to just "lose" a few of those registered full-auto firearms and sell them to some bloke on a street corner.

I find that a) Unlikely and b) the sort of s*** I might read from the GCN about legit firearm dealers being a source for illegal firearms.

zanes wrote:

25Pdr wrote: What I'm getting at Chuck is...There will be dealers all over the EU holding stocks of S5 stuff with the intention of de acting them and selling them on for stupid prices, now their stock is worthless, with respect to most dealers, surely there will be some who will just sell them off ticket and fully functional.

Yes, a legit dealer will quite clearly be able to get away with "losing" a few Section 5s. And it's definitely worth the risk for the sake of a few thousand Euros. And obviously deac collectors will look at the new law and think "f*** it, might as well get the "real" stuff in".

I know Dealers, especially Sec5 ones are closely monitored, I personally know two of them, but how close? For instance how was THIS lot amassed?

Personally I don't care, I would like to return the Firearms law to what we had in the sixties.

Nothing personal, but everything has a price.

I firmly believe banning deacts will lead to some real ones being sold/bought, a simple statement.

Whatever is done, bad people will still do bad things. I'd hate to thing a sensible RFD would stoop to supplying scumbags with any form of firearm illegally (or otherwise).

Point taken about CO2 pistols..but that was not a TEMPORARY LAW was it? Can you name any "temporary law" that has been repealed in 100 years of bei9ng intiated - nope?

Point I was making 25 was that no laws of this type are ever "carefully thought out". They're there to screw you over and fool the sheeple into thinking all "baaaad" guns are gone.

Temporary & ALMOST took 100 years to overturn = pub opening hours.
Brought in during WW1 to control factory workers.

WWII ID cards.

They want ID cards back.

So suffice to say any temporary laws will not be repealed during the lifetime of anyone on here I would imagine..seems pretty permanent to me.

Oh and after WW2 we were NOT nearly so paranoid about guns funnily enough, that's a recent affliction the public has!

huntervixen wrote: I know someone with a large collection of old spec deacs, they formed a jaw dropping and impressive reference firearm collection and acted as part of a pension plan, he is now badly out of pocket and attempting to move on as many as possible before the cut off date.

I'm in that boat.....and with only a few weeks to the deadline, I haven't got a clue how to go about moving any of them on so quickly.

GeeRam wrote:

huntervixen wrote: I know someone with a large collection of old spec deacs, they formed a jaw dropping and impressive reference firearm collection and acted as part of a pension plan, he is now badly out of pocket and attempting to move on as many as possible before the cut off date.

I'm in that boat.....and with only a few weeks to the deadline, I haven't got a clue how to go about moving any of them on so quickly.

Advertise them on here for a start. There is as much panic buying as there is selling as collectors try to fill holes in their collections in the next 4 weeks. I'm holding onto my keepers...

DanTheMan wrote: Advertise them on here for a start. There is as much panic buying as there is selling as collectors try to fill holes in their collections in the next 4 weeks. I'm holding onto my keepers...

I'll keep one of the two '28 Thompsons I've got, but would let everything else go.