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Swamp Donkey wrote:Your firearm certificate allows you to acquire and hold ammunition listed.
Where's the issue ?
Your cert shows legal authority to hold said ammo, it doesn't say 'acquire if you have a suitable gun to use it in' does it ?
+1.
"Two blokes down the club say" is pretty much meaningless, whether one's an RFD or not.
These "my mate had his certificate revoked/guns confiscated for "x"" almost always involve (a lot) more backstory than is posted- in this case I can easily see it being "mate had rifle in calibre x, sold the rifle, one-for-oned the rifle slot for calibre y, FLO took his ammo allowance for calibre x away and then matey wondered why he got in trouble for having rounds he didn't have an allowance for".
reiver xxv wrote:A cautionary tale, a friend of mines was being visited by his FEO to check his security and weapon serial numbers for his renewal. My friend had some rounds for a rifle he no longer owns. He thought he would surrender them to the FEO. Now bearing in mind that the FEO hadn't seen the rounds, it was my friend being totally honest. The result is he has had his firearms confiscated and is under investigation.
Once he realised his mistake he should have just pulled the rounds himself, and/or if expanding ammo pulverised the bullets with a hammer and then disposed of the compenents. Call me cynical but the minions of the authorities don't get a pat on the back by their superiors for being pragmatic and 'nice'. They'll be toast of the department for 'catching red-handed' a serious firearms offence
If the ammunition is on your FAC no offence has been committed. It is NOT an offence to sell / gift / transfer ammunition from one FAC holder to anther FAC holder as long as both FACs are VALID and have a 'slot' for the calibre concerned. The 'Only an RFD can complete an entry on an FAC' is nonsense. The idea that you cannot have a valid slot on your FAC for ammunition because you have not yet bought or have subsequently sold a rifle is nonsense. Say I have one 303 No4 on my FAC and a variation to buy another 303 on the FAC with an allowance of 500 rounds of 303 ammunituion. I see a nice SMLE, I sell the No4, and agree to pick up the SMLE a week later, are you telling me the law says I must get rid of my 500 rounds of ammo? No it does NOT.
Well all I can say about your 'Mate' is
1) Did he have a valid slot on his FAC for the ammo he had?
2) Had the ammo been properly entered on his FAC?
If so NO problem. Don't ask Tom and Gerry, don't ask local plod ask the HOME OFFICE Firearms licensing section.
Read the Guidance to the Police. Join one of the National associations as an individual member to get shooting legal insurance or arange your own.
It's funny how problems can go away when 'they' know you have firearms lawyer on your side.
If your 'Mate' did not have 1 and 2 then that's his problem.
I also have to ask the question why did he not get advice at the time and why did he not appeal as IF he was OK on 1 and 2 he would have won the appeal hands down.
However we have to be careful here in view of a previous post that was found to have quite a 'Backstory'.
safetyfirst wrote:Hey hey hey. Calm down there. I'm just relating something I know to have happened, which as you can see from my tone and language I find ridiculous and suspect isn't a legal statute.
My mate purchased bunch of 308 and then didn't get his rifle for a few months. In the meantime, whilst bragging about the price he paid for the old 308, he was warned by an RFD that he shouldn't be holding ammunition he doesn't have a rifle for.
He then got taken aside by someone at his club and was warned he needed to take the ammo back.
I'm sure it's not written somewhere in law but to have two people warn him?
I checked with my local RFD before writing this and he also said its an offence to be in possession of ammunition for which you have no suitable firearm.
If this is a serious bone of contention, go ask your licensing departments, see what they say.
Let's not start yelling BS, let's just try and find out what the facts are?
I think I can narrow it down to at least three people that have no idea of "WHAT THE FACTS ARE", nor the law as it is written!
& a PM to me with the two RFD's details would be of use in case I ever feel the need to have any dealings with them: the PM will remind me to spend my cash with folk that are firing on all brain cells....I try not to feed stupidity with coins
Without the WHOLE STORY and an EXACT description of the FAC conditions and the EXACT description of the ammunition it is pointless to continue this. It is difficult for newcomers to understand all the ins and outs esp wih regard to some of the weird and wonderful bits such as hollowpoint ammunition and hollow point bullets. BUT I am still amazed at the fact so many will take the word of 'Tom and Gerry' without ever trying to look up or find the facts for themselves. https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... aw_v13.pdf
should be on every shooters computer. Then if you are uncertain about something send an email to your local licensing team or the Home Office and get a written reply. OR get your Club Sec to get onto which ever body they are affiliated to to get advice. I have found the NRA very good.
