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Some of our security guards here (mainly the Cash in Transit guys) carry .38 revolvers and use our range for their annual assessment carried out by the Guardia Civil, most have no interest in guns or marksmanship and it's a pantomime!

There's a couple of .38 sized holes in the benches loads in the overhead baffles and the target frames are shot to buggery, and everybody gets their permisio renewed :) worst score I saw, 6/150, and you think you've got problems :)

Lee B wrote:Some of our security guards here (mainly the Cash in Transit guys) carry .38 revolvers and use our range for their annual assessment carried out by the Guardia Civil, most have no interest in guns or marksmanship and it's a pantomime!

There's a couple of .38 sized holes in the benches loads in the overhead baffles and the target frames are shot to buggery, and everybody gets their permisio renewed :) worst score I saw, 6/150, and you think you've got problems :)

Trained by the best: Fred Karno....

Every club should provide training on how to sight in a firearm properly, including bore sighting, and preferably provide the equipment that makes it easy to do i.e. spotting scopes, bore lasers, shooting supports etc. I've met people who've been shooting for decades and looked at me blankly when i asked them if they bore sighted their new rifle before bringing it to the range (and both occasions they were using a bolt-action rifle which are the easiest to do! )

Blackstuff wrote:Every club should provide training on how to sight in a firearm properly, including bore sighting, and preferably provide the equipment that makes it easy to do i.e. spotting scopes, bore lasers, shooting supports etc. I've met people who've been shooting for decades and looked at me blankly when i asked them if they bore sighted their new rifle before bringing it to the range (and both occasions they were using a bolt-action rifle which are the easiest to do! )

I'm not sure the club should provide all that. Spotting scope and supports maybe as they're indiscriminate to calibre. However a full-bore club having to provide a number of bore lasers for a bunch of calibres is a little far fetched. If you're buying a new rifle and need a laser, it should be on your shopping list at the time.

Or do as I did and bore sight it (Bolt Action) Using a street lamp (at night) and a bench from my bedroom window at a known distance. At least so you know that things are (Roughly) in line.

You're right though, it should be part of "probation" - since I'm currently writing a Checklist for probation members, I'll make sure that it's touched upon.

TattooedGun wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:Every club should provide training on how to sight in a firearm properly, including bore sighting, and preferably provide the equipment that makes it easy to do i.e. spotting scopes, bore lasers, shooting supports etc. I've met people who've been shooting for decades and looked at me blankly when i asked them if they bore sighted their new rifle before bringing it to the range (and both occasions they were using a bolt-action rifle which are the easiest to do! )

I'm not sure the club should provide all that. Spotting scope and supports maybe as they're indiscriminate to calibre. However a full-bore club having to provide a number of bore lasers for a bunch of calibres is a little far fetched. If you're buying a new rifle and need a laser, it should be on your shopping list at the time.

Or do as I did and bore sight it (Bolt Action) Using a street lamp (at night) and a bench from my bedroom window at a known distance. At least so you know that things are (Roughly) in line.

You're right though, it should be part of "probation" - since I'm currently writing a Checklist for probation members, I'll make sure that it's touched upon.

Most of the laser bore sighters that sit in the muzzle come with a range of spigots that adjust slightly to ensure a good fit.

The last one I saw ranged from .22 to .45, depending on which spigot you used.

zanes wrote:

TattooedGun wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:Every club should provide training on how to sight in a firearm properly, including bore sighting, and preferably provide the equipment that makes it easy to do i.e. spotting scopes, bore lasers, shooting supports etc. I've met people who've been shooting for decades and looked at me blankly when i asked them if they bore sighted their new rifle before bringing it to the range (and both occasions they were using a bolt-action rifle which are the easiest to do! )

I'm not sure the club should provide all that. Spotting scope and supports maybe as they're indiscriminate to calibre. However a full-bore club having to provide a number of bore lasers for a bunch of calibres is a little far fetched. If you're buying a new rifle and need a laser, it should be on your shopping list at the time.

Or do as I did and bore sight it (Bolt Action) Using a street lamp (at night) and a bench from my bedroom window at a known distance. At least so you know that things are (Roughly) in line.

You're right though, it should be part of "probation" - since I'm currently writing a Checklist for probation members, I'll make sure that it's touched upon.

Most of the laser bore sighters that sit in the muzzle come with a range of spigots that adjust slightly to ensure a good fit.

The last one I saw ranged from .22 to .45, depending on which spigot you used.

Ah right, never used one. the only ones I'd seen had been loaded into the breach as a round with a laser coming out of it...

We have a rule at our club that all rifles that have just had a new scope or sights fitted must be shot at 25m first (or even possibly shorter in the case of gallery rifles) to ensure that rounds are at least hitting the centre of the target before the shooter can take them back to longer distances.
You wouldn't believe just how far off target some rifles are that members bring along. Often saying "Oh it's O.K. they set it up in the shop for me."

I'm afraid that while I see a place and a use for a collimator I see no use whatsoever for a laser bore sighter other than perhaps to do a quick check when it is suspected that a scope may have taken a knock and be out of alignment. In any case we would always insist on shooting at shorter range first.

I think that there is normally very little excuse for shooting up the structure of the range and damaging it, all rounds fired should go directly into the bullet catcher/sand via the target. In the case of novices the range that they should be allowed to shoot should be restricted until they have gained sufficient expertise to allow them to move further back.

My range in Holland had also to handle with a lot of damage. Now the rangeofficer checks before and after shooting. Those guys who damage the range have to pay 2 Euro's per bullet hole. So a nice 5 shot group will cost you ten.
We have less damage now, because people take a better look before the start shooting.
It's worth a try !