Still looking for a club :( this is getting silly

[SevenSixTwo]

I don't agree with unregulated weapons and thus any nutcase being able to use a firearm.

The US has, I believe, over 20,000 regulations on firearms and most States require a Federal Background Check before purchase. It's not the "free-for-all" the media would want us to believe.

[bradaz11]

Silly question but WHY would / should a club have a waiting list?

As far as I know it's because the fee for club insurance is usually based on the number of members. If more members join the insurance bill goes up but it's in stages, ie up to 50 people, up to 100 etc. If you have 51 people then you pay for 100 members and the subs go up for everyone hence the limits.

Not quite true & there are some other factors:

Probationary members do not incur any NRA or NSRA cost. They pay no NRA capitation fee & are not in the fee structure for NSRA. Remember a majority of probationary members drop put of the sport.

is affiliation how you get the insurance then? as Charlotte mentioned Insurance, and you mention affiliation??

[Taha]

I don't agree with unregulated weapons and thus any nutcase being able to use a firearm.

The US has, I believe, over 20,000 regulations on firearms and most States require a Federal Background Check before purchase. It's not the "free-for-all" the media would want us to believe.

Well clearly all those regulations aren't doing much. They still have more gun related deaths and mass shootings than any first world country and in many states it's possible to buy military grade firearms without any background checks at all. If I lived in the US I would concealed carry out of necessity rather than choice, but frankly I'd rather live in a country where going to the cinema or sending kids to school is less likely to turn into a sudden life or death, act or die situation.

I'm actually American by birth but I'm removed enough from all the 2nd amendment propaganda to be able to see that the USA is one of the developed world's least mentally healthy societies and combining that with ease of access to automatic firearms has proven to be disastrous time and time again.

There have been too many Columbine's, too many sandy hooks and frankly too many police shootings. For me the turning point was sandy hook. I remember seeing the pictures of all the kids that arsehole killed and it was completely overwhelming. Then there was this article about this pretty young teacher called Vicky Soto who hid all her students in the classroom and lied, saying they had left. He gunned her down - she was 27, my age.

Americans shouldn't have to live in the wild west just because of gun lobby propaganda. There is a middle way where shooting can be enjoyed in a sensibly regulated manner.

[rufrdr]

....I think firearms need to be taught and regulated properly. Without wanting to offend any of my American members of the forum, I don't agree with unregulated weapons and thus any nutcase being able to use a firearm. I like living in a country where things like school shootings are essentially unheard of.....

Here in the U.S.A. the constant attack on firearms ownership has actually resulted in less formal firearms training for neophytes rather than more. How can that be? Back in the 'old days' (say up until the early 1970s) firearms training was provided via shooting clubs, youth small bore rifle teams, hunter training and the like all associated with schools, churches, youth clubs, police and fire auxiliary clubs, VFW and American Legion posts (Vets organizations)...so that many, many youths learned to safely handled firearms. Pressure by the anti gun groups caused many clubs and organizations to jettison their youth firearms programs. Couple that with the precipitous decline in the number of young people serving in the military these days and you have folks who want to be a firearms owner with no real experience in safely handling them. It isn't a good situation but on the other hand, not the unregulated environment that you mention.

Best of luck on the hunt to find that shooting club! Hang in there and I am sure you will find the right place.

[rufrdr]

I don't agree with unregulated weapons and thus any nutcase being able to use a firearm.

The US has, I believe, over 20,000 regulations on firearms and most States require a Federal Background Check before purchase. It's not the "free-for-all" the media would want us to believe.

Well clearly all those regulations aren't doing much. They still have more gun related deaths and mass shootings than any first world country and in many states it's possible to buy military grade firearms without any background checks at all. If I lived in the US I would concealed carry out of necessity rather than choice, but frankly I'd rather live in a country where going to the cinema or sending kids to school is less likely to turn into a sudden life or death, act or die situation.

I'm actually American by birth but I'm removed enough from all the 2nd amendment propaganda to be able to see that the USA is one of the developed world's least mentally healthy societies and combining that with ease of access to automatic firearms has proven to be disastrous time and time again.

There have been too many Columbine's, too many sandy hooks and frankly too many police shootings. For me the turning point was sandy hook. I remember seeing the pictures of all the kids that arsehole killed and it was completely overwhelming. Then there was this article about this pretty young teacher called Vicky Soto who hid all her students in the classroom and lied, saying they had left. He gunned her down - she was 27, my age.

Americans shouldn't have to live in the wild west just because of gun lobby propaganda. There is a middle way where shooting can be enjoyed in a sensibly regulated manner.

I'm sorry you feel that way and I wish the best for you in your adopted country. BTW violent firearms use as well as accidental firearms injuries or deaths have been declining for decades in the U.S. The rise or fall of firearms violence seems to have more of a correlation to the overall age of the U.S. population than the availability of firearms. A more youthful population results in more violent crime.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf#page=27

[Thorney]

For 2015 the basic NSRA affiliation fees are:
up to 15 members £120.00
16 to 30 members £155.00
31 to 75 members £220.00
more than 75 £285.00
Junior Clubs up to 15 members £120.00
more than 15 members £150.00

.

And what do you get for those fees?

[dromia]

Insurance and precious little else.

[Chuck]

Well clearly all those regulations aren't doing much. They still have more gun related deaths and mass shootings than any first world country and in many states it's possible to buy military grade firearms without any background checks at all. If I lived in the US I would concealed carry out of necessity rather than choice, but frankly I'd rather live in a country where going to the cinema or sending kids to school is less likely to turn into a sudden life or death, act or die situation.

You a member of GCN or one of these pseudo "MOMS" gpoups by any chance - because that's their speak.

FYI, there are as others have said a multitude of regulations and you are correct, they do NOT do much - for CRIMINALS! Please feel free suggest any regulations you feel would help.

Here's a regulation for you: Murder is illegal - no matter what is used. ! Have you ever been to the USA?

Oh and when was the last time you saw a news article that said umpteeen million Americans never killed anyone today!

[greenshoots]

WNSC looked quite good when I visited, sure theres a few members on here too,
Depending where in S Wales you are Tondu is worth a look.

im still waiting to here if hes made enquiries??

greenshoots

[hitchphil]

Not quite true & there are some other factors:

Probationary members do not incur any NRA or NSRA cost. They pay no NRA capitation fee & are not in the fee structure for NSRA. Remember a majority of probationary members drop put of the sport.

"is affiliation how you get the insurance then? as Charlotte mentioned Insurance, and you mention affiliation??"

If you join a HO approved club (that is important for firearms other than air rifles etc) that is affiliated to NRA / NSRA or insured by BASC then you as a probationary member are insured to shoot with them, at their range or ranges they use only, and as long as they provide a level of supervision is appropriate to your needs.

After probationary period you can take out assoc NSRA membership to extend the cover to you, your kit & activities, or NRA or BASC to insure you as an individual.

Dromia - yes not much more than insurance & access to organised events & in some cases facilities but thats only really any use if you live near Bisley or Aldersley.... & a badge.