I HATE straight-pull.

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Re: I HATE straight-pull.

#21 Post by Demonic69 »

Sounds like me :-)
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Re: I HATE straight-pull.

#22 Post by bradaz11 »

SevenSixTwo wrote:
Demonic69 wrote:I'll take it off your hands mate.
You're welcome.
Seriously. I think it's tiring, distracting and a liability...
how?

is it any different from bolt action?


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#23 Post by Gaz »

Look at why the MoD bought single-shot only SA80 rifles for the cadets after 20 years of struggling with straight-pull conversions. Those L98A1s were downright dangerous in the hands of a less well developed 14-yr-old trying to carry out drills that had evidently been written by someone who'd never used the rifle prone on an outdoor range. Muzzles all over the place... as for position, recocking the thing destroyed the prone position completely. Utter dog of a rifle.
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#24 Post by Demonic69 »

Gaz wrote:Utter dog of a rifle.
I shot fine with it at wing competitions :P
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Re: I HATE straight-pull.

#25 Post by snayperskaya »

DW58 wrote:
snayperskaya wrote:
DW58 wrote:
A real Whisky Tango Foxtrot moment signfunnypost
and the funny part is???
Do I really need to explain it to you?

I've never seen anything less like a precision weapon - I know you get excited by Soviet-era kit, each to their own I suppose.
I think you miss the point of the SVD, and you certainly underestimate how accurate they can be........besides the fact you seen to deride anything I post about the type of firearms I own.Have you ever fired a Dragunov or an Ak?.

What the SVD is: A semi-automatic (one shot per pull of the trigger) rifle designed for reliable operation in extreme environments. Its main purpose is to extend the reach of an infrantryman beyond the limitations of their standard rifle's caliber and sighting system. Accurate aimed fire at fleeting targets is possible due to the 4 power scope's wide field of view and lead correction markings on the reticle. One-ragged-hole groups are not necessary with this type of rifle, though it is capable of excellent accuracy with proper ammunition.

What the SVD is not: A traditional sniper's rifle capable of extreme accuracy at great distances. Comparing the SVD to a Remington 700, Sako TRG, or similar rifle is like comparing a Jeep to a tank.
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Re: I HATE straight-pull.

#26 Post by targetman »

I love straight pulls.......currently in the cupboard.....Schmidt Rubins . M1889, M1911, K31 and a 7.62 M1911 target rifle plus a .303" M1910 Ross.
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#27 Post by froggy »

Comparing the SVD to a Remington 700, Sako TRG, or similar rifle is like comparing a Jeep to a tank.
Or wouldn't comparing the M24/40 vs M14 DMR systems be an utterly pointless school play-ground level and actually a bit silly ?

Comparing M14 vs SVD on the other hand is IMO far more interesting and of benefit to shooters

http://m14forum.com/m14/113994-comparis ... v-svd.html

- This point may be argued back and forth, but I would call it mostly a tie. Battlefield accuracy of the two rifles is between 1-2 MOA.
- I will make a special note here. For those who decry the accuracy of the SVD, they may be justified on the account of a lack of available match grade ammunition (the 7n1 is not really match grade, but simply held to tighter tolerances. Dragunov.net has an article on the matter by a Finnish sniper). To me, ammunition is a big limiting factor for the SVD as can be seen below.
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#28 Post by DW58 »

snayperskaya wrote:
I think you miss the point of the SVD, and you certainly underestimate how accurate they can be........besides the fact you seen to deride anything I post about the type of firearms I own.Have you ever fired a Dragunov or an Ak?.

What the SVD is: A semi-automatic (one shot per pull of the trigger) rifle designed for reliable operation in extreme environments. Its main purpose is to extend the reach of an infrantryman beyond the limitations of their standard rifle's caliber and sighting system. Accurate aimed fire at fleeting targets is possible due to the 4 power scope's wide field of view and lead correction markings on the reticle. One-ragged-hole groups are not necessary with this type of rifle, though it is capable of excellent accuracy with proper ammunition.

What the SVD is not: A traditional sniper's rifle capable of extreme accuracy at great distances. Comparing the SVD to a Remington 700, Sako TRG, or similar rifle is like comparing a Jeep to a tank.
Yes, I have fired the SVD (real variety, not ersatz straight-pull), plus AK47, SKS, AKM, AK-74SU etc., etc., and I have to say I was very underwhelmed by all of them. I've even fired the Medved SVD-derived hunting rifle which was marginally better, but not by much.

The only modern rifles remotely connected with Russian designs that I can say have been relatively OK were the Galil, Micro-Galil and Valmet M76. I haven't experienced the South African AK-derivatives, but I believe they are fairly good as well.

I know perfectly well what the SVD is, it's a poor quality attempt at a DMR, and let's face it reaching out beyond the range of AK-armed infantrymen is hardly difficult. I've also shot good quality modern DMRs - HK417, M-14 EBR, AR-10-derived etc., etc., all of which leave the SVD in their shadow.

I'm fortunate enough to have the opportunity to fire these weapons in their original form owing to a collector friend in Luxembourg, where the laws are ore than a tad less restrictive than or own, and this included selective fire where appropriate.
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#29 Post by snayperskaya »

froggy wrote:Comparing the SVD to a Remington 700, Sako TRG, or similar rifle is like comparing a Jeep to a tank.
Or wouldn't comparing the M24/40 vs M14 DMR systems be an utterly pointless school play-ground level and actually a bit silly ?

Comparing M14 vs SVD on the other hand is IMO far more interesting and of benefit to shooters

http://m14forum.com/m14/113994-comparis ... v-svd.html

- This point may be argued back and forth, but I would call it mostly a tie. Battlefield accuracy of the two rifles is between 1-2 MOA.
- I will make a special note here. For those who decry the accuracy of the SVD, they may be justified on the account of a lack of available match grade ammunition (the 7n1 is not really match grade, but simply held to tighter tolerances. Dragunov.net has an article on the matter by a Finnish sniper). To me, ammunition is a big limiting factor for the SVD as can be seen below.
Nice one Froggy, sums it up nicely
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#30 Post by froggy »

collector friend in Luxembourg ... The only modern rifles remotely connected with Russian designs that I can say have been relatively OK were the Galil

No disrespect but I think you just demonstrated the limitation of the argument. Luxembourg is a great place for civilian shooting but hardly the most appropriate to form a conclusive opinion on a combat rifle.
SVD was the first ever designed semi-auto DMR. Now, comparing an HK 417 with M14 & SVD 's design pre-date by 40 years is a bit pointless unless you are actually selecting a battle rifle you intend to use for that effect. Where is Luxembourgistan again ?
There are a lot of guns, type of shooting that I find useless or even plain silly . So what ? Who am I ? Certainly no expert so I am very glad for those that use/enjoy them. Why knocking it down ? If it rocks your boat, great, if it does not, so be it :good:
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