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nfrancis wrote:

Demonic69 wrote:Yeah that was only in SSL1.0, still so many vulnerabilities in TLS1.0 though and it's not hard to upgrade to 1.1 or 1.2.

Not hard?? - Hmm - read RFC1925 section 4

SSL is a protocol. Heartbleed only affected a few specific versions of the OpenSSL software which implements the SSL/TLS protocol - 1.01 to 1.01f. OpenSSL is mainly used in unix style machines. Azolve services are probably running Microsoft stacks.

TLS v1.0 (the protocol) is SSL v3. TLS 1.1 and 1.2 just enhance this. You have to be careful of automated scanning tools and exactly what they are telling you and testing for. Its highly likely the systems Azolve are running are patched accordingly - it may be reporting TLS1.0 but it will be a patched version of TLS 1.0. Sites continue to run TLS 1.0 (the protocol) for compatibility reasons.

You presume so much!
Let's hope all your random guessing is correct

I don't read my own signature!

I'm an NRA member but they're not my nominated club on my FAC so I have no need to enter anything into their crummy IT system.

Racalman wrote:I'm an NRA member but they're not my nominated club on my FAC so I have no need to enter anything into their crummy IT system.

Why is it a crummy IT system?

Hmm, I presume this is what the email I got from the NRA a few days ago was referring to. What I'm reading here is not filling me with confidence for me putting my details into it....

nfrancis wrote:

Racalman wrote:I'm an NRA member but they're not my nominated club on my FAC so I have no need to enter anything into their crummy IT system.

Why is it a crummy IT system?

Why don't you tell us why it's not, you appear to be a man in the know

I don't read my own signature!

From experience, never underestimate the usefulness to have a second club that can verify your shooting history.

I understood target shooters to be under a legal obligation to record their Section 1 gun use on each date they visit a range where they are a member, with an indication of whether they were used for competition or practice. This certainly seems to be the rationale behind all the logging systems each target club I am a member of have in place. This record is consulted as evidence of ones' "good reason" to possess each S1 firearm on FAC for target shooting at renewal time. The Police will certainly consult the records of the target shooting club nominated on the FAC, and perhaps others also, esp. when certain firearms are used at different clubs.

However, a perusal of the 2013 Home Office Guidance does not make explicit mention of such obligation to record; Chapter 13, para 53 (p112) seems to be the only reference -- perhaps someone else can offer more authoritative guidance on whether we have an obligation to record attendance? Perhaps as long as we are not legally required to record each use, then one can simply not bother with the NRA system at all -- as long as one belongs to other clubs, as per Mike's very wise suggestion!

If one is only a member of the NRA, then one has no choice if you wish to keep your S1 target firearms; you have to use the new "portal" as they introduce it, or you will not be able to point to a record of use to justify your ownership. Fortunately, I am a member of several clubs...but perhaps the need for one of them needs to be reassessed...

David.

DavidRees wrote:I understood target shooters to be under a legal obligation to record their Section 1 gun use on each date they visit a range where they are a member, with an indication of whether they were used for competition or practice...

perhaps someone else can offer more authoritative guidance on whether we have an obligation to record attendance? Perhaps as long as we are not legally required to record each use, then one can simply not bother with the NRA system at all -- as long as one belongs to other clubs, as per Mike's very wise suggestion!

If one is only a member of the NRA, then one has no choice if you wish to keep your S1 target firearms; you have to use the new "portal" as they introduce it, or you will not be able to point to a record of use to justify your ownership. Fortunately, I am a member of several clubs...but perhaps the need for one of them needs to be reassessed...

David.

The legal requirement to record attendance and firearm use is laid ON THE CLUB, not on the member, and applies to members of the club who hold firearm certificates. So, at Bisley, the NRA needs you to record your firearms usage if you are a FAC holder shooting as a member of the NRA. If you are there with another club, you record with that club. If you don't have an FAC there is no obligation to record usage / attendance, but as has been said it may be useful when you come to establish good reason for possessing your own firearms.

Iain,

Thank you for clarifying the point. May one ask: in your view, what obligation exists to record attendance and use at Open competitions, for example, the Phoenix? Is it any different, given that both members and non-members would be shooting? Are NRA members obliged (presumably by club rules) to record their usage in the NRA system at such events?

David.

DavidRees wrote:Iain,

Thank you for clarifying the point. May one ask: in your view, what obligation exists to record attendance and use at Open competitions, for example, the Phoenix? Is it any different, given that both members and non-members would be shooting? Are NRA members obliged (presumably by club rules) to record their usage in the NRA system at such events?

David.

Again, it depends on the status of the competitor. If you are representing a club other than the NRA, that club should keep the record. If you are shooting as an NRA member, or as an individual competitor (hence having NRA membership for the duration of the event), you complete the NRA record, which IIRC for major events is done as part of the entry form. This is confirmed by Home Office notes on criteria for approval of clubs:

In the case of competition shoots between clubs, the responsibility for recording the attendance of a team member will lie with the club that the shooter represents. In the case of open competitions, the organising club will record details of competitors.