Nigel bloody Farage sinks hope of pistol ban repeal

[Dave 101]

Who ever thought any government will return pistols to public ownership is deluded , there are far more pressing items for them to deal with , how many successive governments now have promised a referendum on Europe as part of their manifesto to get into power and never done so ! So do you really believe pistols will top the polls ? No . Would it be a vote winner ? No
I will wait the flypast of swine at Buck house then I think there is a chance it will be on the agenda .

Dave

[froggy]

Gaz,

Labour is open in its hate of us
What the heck does it mean ?
Have you forgot that Labour are the one that scr3w you deep and took those pistols away from you lot on the first place ?
Wakey-wakey ...The London party machine simply hate your guts !!

Torys ... As we can all see Cameron was a total failure for the sport .
Jonhson as their leader won't help but obviously since our only future will come from them ... Unfortunately the few friends we have there are simply too shy for the fight.
As past experience and reality tells us with the issue of immigration or European referendum, it is only after Farage opened his big trap, scarred the sh*t out of them and pushed them in the ropes that they were forced to cut the BS and start making a stand for their survival. Farage, whether you like it or not, even with his small power base, managed to change the agenda of bothe the Troy & Labour. Nobody else.

Thefore, without in any way advocating Farage as PM, the only way forward, is UKIP gowing into such a critical mass & sufficient pressure point to force this issue among others onto the tory adgenda and manifesto.

Bottom line : The current 2 parties status-quo is a slow asphyxiation and to this date only Farage has the spine to push the issue in the spotlight and offers us a chance .




NFrancis

If the Commitee itself clearly admited they reversed the initial non allocation to the sport , it means that the ban was put in place .


None of the above is going to promote the sport
So you admit that nobody will support your sport, but the day that exceptionaly a politician does, you rubbish him ??

What do I do ?
Beside trying, successfully, to enroll as many people into the sport,
I have written to my MP's both in England and France explaining them that if they can not trust me with a gun, I can not trust them,
I am supporting financially l' ANTAC (French pressure group) and I would do the same if there were an English equivalent.

[froggy]

Would it be a vote winner ? No

Agree,
but if every shooter, firearm or air-thingy owner, deact collector, field-sport supporter were to pledge that they are not going to vote for you, it quickly could become a balance tiper/vote loser and therefore force politicians to listen to what we have to say ...

[Dangermouse]

By coincidence I came to the same conclusion as Froggy whilst making dinner.

The only problem with piggy backing our interests in shooting as a sport with people who only want hand guns for self defence, is that they are more likely to bring the sport in to disrepute and not care what damage they cause.

DM

[nfrancis]

What do I do ?
Beside trying, successfully, to enroll as many people into the sport,
I have written to my MP's both in England and France explaining them that if they can not trust me with a gun, I can not trust them,
I am supporting financially l' ANTAC (French pressure group) and I would do the same if there were an English equivalent.

OK - but don't you go shooting?

I'd suggest that's a better way than any of the above to promote the sport.

[froggy]

people who only want hand guns for self defence are more likely to bring the sport in to disrepute and not care what damage they cause.

In France , you can either have a firearm as :
a - a sportsman with approval of the France Shooting Federation ,
b - a hunter via you hunting licence issued by the France Hunting Federation,
c - self-defence with authorisation from the equivalent of the home office,

So if it goes tits-up for b) or c) up in theorie a) the France Shooting Federation can wash its hands of it. In practice, of course, medias don't make the difference.


NFrancis ...
but don't you go shooting?

I like you, you'r a very funny guy

2/3 times/month in England,
3/4 times every 6 weeks in France,
and I help organise classes 3/4 w-e abroad /year,
Any more and I am risking a roastbeef blonde reenacting Agincourt "a la maison"

[the running man]

By coincidence I came to the same conclusion as Froggy whilst making dinner.

The only problem with piggy backing our interests in shooting as a sport with people who only want hand guns for self defence, is that they are more likely to bring the sport in to disrepute and not care what damage they cause.

DM

Yeah I wouldent go mentioning self defence and pistol ban overturned too much, I would not dream of ever using my firearms for anything more than I've been granted them for....

[froggy]

I would not dream of ever using my firearms for anything more than I've been granted them for....

+1 ,


the knee jerk legislation that Blair brought in that meant that the British Olympic pistol team have to go to France to even practice, was just crackers ... if you criminalise handguns then only the criminals carry the guns ... since Blair brought that piece of law in gun crime doubled in the next five years in this country ... we need a proper gun licensing system which to a large extent we already have and I think the ban on hand guns is ludicrous.

Quite frankly, I can not fault or disagree with any of the above ...
NFrancis .. Gaz ... Can you ?


The logical consequence of relaxing gun laws is an increase in gun use which should be discouraged rather than encouraged. Any change could possibly act as a green light for an increase in criminality.


That, on the other hand, is plain lie, borderline insulting & impling that if licenced gun owners have access to more guns, they will start shooting people.... So, instead of getting one's knickers in a twist about Farage having the courage to publicly talk common sense, I would expect my fellow sportsmen and the NRA to object to the rubbish coming out of Keith Vaz and challenging the false accusations he is planting in the public's mind unchallenged.

[DavidRees]

The chances of a repeal, or partial repeal, of the effective ban on pistols, have always been very slim; effectively zero, in my view. Why? Because the reaction we are seeing now, from the antis, and the ill-informed, would have come into play immediately, and would not die down until the idea had been withdrawn.

As shooters, we are as a group handicapped by being honest, and we do not as a rule lie about our sport, or its implications for public safety. Sadly, those who oppose gun ownership do not by and large suffer this handicap...and they are prepared to put forward whatever argument they feel will influence opinion, without ever being called upon to substantiate with evidence their assertions. Until the issue can be considered on merit, their distortions and lies will never be challenged.

By making his point now, it may be true that the chances of a repeal (or partial lifting) of the ban has gone from slim to none. Let us be honest; it was never very likely to happen in the current climate towrds our sport. But there are a significant number of people (though admittedly a minority) who feel that Nigel Farage, and UKIP, sometimes make sensible points about a number of issues. In raising the question, and provoking debate, the issue is now in play. It may well lead nowhere this time, but if and when another politician raises the matter, the level of abuse may well be less, and the likelihood of rational debate might well be higher. We can at least hope so.

In the meantime, let us at least respect the man for being forthright with his opinions, rather than concealing them!

David.

[froggy]

UKIP, sometimes make sensible points about a number of issues. In raising the question, and provoking debate, the issue is now in play ... let us at least respect the man for being forthright with his opinions, rather than concealing them !

Spot on