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Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:44 pm
by Sandgroper
meles meles wrote:We don't like the idea of concentrating such authority in one pair of hands...
It is on a local level.

Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:46 pm
by meles meles
Aye, ooman, but many pairs across the land...

Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:46 pm
by Mike357
The Ninjas Badger, seem like a competent bunch

:lol:

Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:49 pm
by nfrancis
meles meles wrote:How much does a driving licence cost ?
No idea - but the answer to this isn't to just find a system with the word license after it and compare the costs.

How much does a TV license cost?

What do people think a fair cost for a FAC is considering the amount of administration that goes on? Does anybody really think a tenner a year is too much?

Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:51 pm
by Sandgroper
meles meles wrote:Aye, ooman, but many pairs across the land...
And more voices against us...

Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:53 pm
by meles meles
One voice against is too many: a multitude of voices rarely harmonise...

Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:59 pm
by Mike357
I would happily pay more. Don't know how much more but for an efficient professionally run system I must be worth double.
Surely a new system should be introduced first then costed out in order to apportion those costs. No point basing the revised cost on the cluster f*** that is licensing at the moment!

Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:01 pm
by Sandgroper
meles meles wrote:One voice against is too many: a multitude of voices rarely harmonise...
Currently that one voice is ACPO. Would the rest really be as interested if firearms wasn't their responsibility?

Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:03 pm
by meles meles
Mike357 wrote:I would happily pay more. Don't know how much more but for an efficient professionally run system I must be worth double.
Surely a new system should be introduced first then costed out in order to apportion those costs. No point basing the revised cost on the cluster f*** that is licensing at the moment!

We thinks you misseth a point, ooman.

We do not wish to be licensed.

We do not wish to pay for such an imposition.

Other foist it upon us: let them pay...

Re: A national body.... (not the same old thread)

Posted: Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:19 pm
by Sandgroper
While doing some research for this thread I found this report - http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 95ap25.htm

I haven't read it all, but this was an interesting admission-
THE LESSONS OF HISTORY

119. The regulation of firearms in Britain is now governed by a mass of primary and secondary legislation but of almost equal importance is the policy on administering the Act, particularly in those areas where it remains incomprehensible. As an example of the complexity of the legislation, Section 5 of the 1968 Act deals with prohibited weapons and, when brought into effect it consisted of 305 words. It now consists of 2,545 words and is beyond the grasp of most of those whom it affects and, indeed, most of those who must administer it.

120. This mass of law was based on intrinsically flawed panic legislation of 1920. It has been added to by one panic measure after another. It has never been the subject of rational consideration. The principles which should apply to all legislation are lost. No-one has ever stated a precise objective for the legislation or indicated how it will be measured against that objective to see whether or not it is working.

121. If past experience is any guide, Parliament, the police and the Government will now try to make this mass of unworkable legislation function in some way despite the cost, despite the bureaucracy and despite any injustice. Nothing will now happen until another major incident creates a period of panic and hysteria when more ill conceived legislation will be added to the heap. The real problems, and the real danger to society will remain unaddressed.