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Someone shot:

Mobile phone.
GPS.

Dial 999, start by saying " Ambulance" then "There is no hazard, but we have a firearms accident, request Air Ambulance", in reply to every question start "there is no hazard, but ...", have the Lat / Long off the GPS (all smartphones have it - somebody must have one) to hand and know how to read it out so it cannot be misunderstood. Meanwhile stop the blood flow until the professionals turn up.

Anything else, tell the whinging skiver to go home / to the bar / to the bog according to personal preference.

Iain
ex RAF Search & Rescue Helicopters (on call to all the UK Emergency Services 24/7/365 regardless of weather)

IainWR wrote:Someone shot:

Mobile phone.
GPS.

Dial 999, start by saying " Ambulance" then "There is no hazard, but we have a firearms accident, request Air Ambulance", in reply to every question start "there is no hazard, but ...", have the Lat / Long off the GPS (all smartphones have it - somebody must have one) to hand and know how to read it out so it cannot be misunderstood. Meanwhile stop the blood flow until the professionals turn up.

Anything else, tell the whinging skiver to go home / to the bar / to the bog according to personal preference.

Iain
ex RAF Search & Rescue Helicopters (on call to all the UK Emergency Services 24/7/365 regardless of weather)

I'll remember that if someone has a heart attack or falls in a target pit in the butts and his tibia is sticking out his leg !

Unless you have some sort dispensing of qualification I wouldn't keep any drugs in the first aid kit.
If anything went wrong with a patient taking medication you gave out or was found in your first aid kit and it affected any possible treatment later on I know who would be getting the blame. If you must have pain killers for your own use keep them in your range bag.

If you are not qualified don't do it.
That goes for First Aid as well, there should always be at least two first aiders on a range, or one non-shooting first aider out of harm's way.
Most of us should be seeking a basic first aid qualification as a matter of course.

Mattnall wrote:Unless you have some sort dispensing of qualification I wouldn't keep any drugs in the first aid kit.
If anything went wrong with a patient taking medication you gave out or was found in your first aid kit and it affected any possible treatment later on I know who would be getting the blame. If you must have pain killers for your own use keep them in your range bag.

If you are not qualified don't do it.
That goes for First Aid as well, there should always be at least two first aiders on a range, or one non-shooting first aider out of harm's way.
Most of us should be seeking a basic first aid qualification as a matter of course.

Fair enough that's your call , personally I'm not going to stand by and watch someone potentially die and do nothing , I'd rather try , maybe keep them alive until the pro's get there and then if necessary defend my actions in court and let 12 people decide if I did wrong ?

As an aside , I think this fear of prosecution for getting involved is half of what's wrong with this once great country .

I do wholeheartedly agree though with your last point though !

I was speaking to a first aid trainer recently and he was saying that the civil courts have changed their stance on claims arising from people trying to help injured people. If you are genuinely trying to help and don't do anything stupid you'll be fine.

Mike357 wrote:If you are genuinely trying to help and don't do anything stupid you'll be fine.

Buggrit! That counts against us in so many ways....

Thankfully the only firearms related injuries I've ever dealt with are scopes hitting between the eyes and and a large flap of skin dangling from a palm after an underlever pinched the skin. The stubborn old shooter refused to leave the point after having his hand dressed.

tackb wrote:Aspirin wouldn't plug any bullet holes I've inflicted?

Plus it thins the blood. Pack of Extra Strong Mints would be better.

tackb wrote:

Mattnall wrote:Unless you have some sort dispensing of qualification I wouldn't keep any drugs in the first aid kit.
If anything went wrong with a patient taking medication you gave out or was found in your first aid kit and it affected any possible treatment later on I know who would be getting the blame. If you must have pain killers for your own use keep them in your range bag.

If you are not qualified don't do it.
That goes for First Aid as well, there should always be at least two first aiders on a range, or one non-shooting first aider out of harm's way.
Most of us should be seeking a basic first aid qualification as a matter of course.

Fair enough that's your call , personally I'm not going to stand by and watch someone potentially die and do nothing , I'd rather try , maybe keep them alive until the pro's get there and then if necessary defend my actions in court and let 12 people decide if I did wrong ?

As an aside , I think this fear of prosecution for getting involved is half of what's wrong with this once great country .

I do wholeheartedly agree though with your last point though !

I was referring to the dispensing of drugs (and doing so without the proper qualifications or knowledge to do so safely). Victim being in pain versus potentially killing victim or hindering anything the trained paramedics/doctors/surgeons could do is the choice. I'm not worried by the law on this they seem to take a sensible view on this, it is my conscience and can I hold my head up high and say I didn't do anything to further harm the victim.

After calling for help, removing any continuing threat, (keeping) open an airway, stop/control bleeding to the best of our ability and that is really the essence of what we as first aiders need to do - keep them alive long enough for the real medical staff to take over. Anything else, especially on a range where a medical plan is in operation and help isn't far away, isn't first aid.

TJC wrote:QuikClot Trauma Pak Emergency First Aid Kit and a CAT Tourniquet.

Both are lightweight and small so no excuse not to carry it. Using QuikClot is a last resort and can complicate after-care treatment but at least you stand a chance of having after-care treatment. For normal cuts and scrapes good old fashioned electrical tape works well.

These guys have a good selection at a decent price but US based as usual...

http://www.deltaoutdoorsman.com

The casualty probably wouldn't like me heading towards them wielding a Fast-1 intraosseous device either...