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Mattnall wrote:

Sim G wrote:

Mattnall wrote: even primers don't (but I have been asked to request sight of FAC before I sell any).

That is a requirement of the law.

Yeah, but the point was that they are controlled.
Those that said component parts aren't controlled under the Act obviously haven't read the VCRA.

Controlled is one thing, itemised & counting toward FAC hold limits is another.

SevenSixTwo wrote:Thanks. I'm betting that NI rules are somehow different!

N I rules are not different in this respect. Primed cases do not count towards your hold limit as they are not entered on your FAC.

Ok, thanks. So let's say for example a bullet is pulled from a cartridge. How is that treated?

As long as it's not a complete round it doesn't count as one.

I was led to belive that a box of say 50 expanding bullets or hunting bullets if you like, counted on your fac as a full round, even if laying static in ones cabinet waiting to be reloaded into a case and primer and powder crimped etc ........im also led to understand a few have been caught out with this fact...

Has anyone put this question to their FEO?

Expanding bullets (or missiles) are treated as complete rounds, Durham list (expanding) bullets as well as ammunition allowances on your FAC other forces don't, they just list the total ammunition allowance (which can be a combination of bullets and rounds) that you allowed.

For target bullets there is no such requirement, you can have as many bullets as you want, it's only when they are fully assembled into a working round that they are counted towards your allowance.

the running man wrote:I was led to belive that a box of say 50 expanding bullets or hunting bullets if you like, counted on your fac as a full round, even if laying static in ones cabinet waiting to be reloaded into a case and primer and powder crimped etc ........im also led to understand a few have been caught out with this fact...

Ah - an expanding bullet question in a thread about primed cases

As Dromia said - the EXPANDING BULLETS issue is NOT the same as the treatment of a primed case, either empty or containing powder...

Until a primed case has a projectile (bullet) on it, then it is NOT a complete round of ammunition so is not part of the allowance

A S.5 expanding bullet IS part of the total allowance, irrespective of it being IN a loaded round or not....even if it is still in the factory box loose, with a load of other bullets

I was shooting with several PSNI chaps last week and put this question to them. They all agreed that it did not however the best person to speak with is your Firearms Licensing Officer. Don't ask the person who answers the phone in the office, you could get a newbie etc, ask to speak with the person who Will ultimately be sticking their head in your cabinet. They are the ones who you need to be on the right side of.

Should they say that they do count, then I suggest that you then speak to your representative body regards how to take this further.

DM

Thanks. I gather then that you'd still need to obtain permission to buy/hold powder and primers since, technically, you would be doing so (if you pulled a bullet from a live round).

You'd also be instantly 'over the limit' so would have to dispose of some to compensate.