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Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:50 pm
by meles meles
Were any elves harmed? Their safety must be paramount !

Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:02 pm
by Burner
Despite the thousands of bullets that were found, the police did not feel the need to evacuate the couple
Over here if reported, my local police would have replied "So? It is old wet ammo, toss it in the bin"

They were worried about if their cat got into the ammo?

What pray tell could a cat have done with it?

Pete the Dog, my German Shorthaired Pointer pinched a paper wrapped packet of 7.62x54 off my bench. I think he wanted the waxed string it was tied with. I found the first round while cleaning up after dogs in the back yard. Something shiney was sticking out of the mess. Yes it was a live x54 round. I checked my bench, and yes one of the 5 packets I placed there a few days before was missing.

I then broke out the old metal detector and commenced to sweep the lawn. The Old WWII vet living behind me joking asked "what ya looking for? I haven't seen that done since I crossed Rhine back in '45." I answered "live ammo" And told him Pete had got into it. The Old Gent laughed about that for days.
I found all 10 rounds. Pete had passed them. They were hosed off, sprayed with a disinfectant and wrapped up.
A month later at a shoot, a mate asked if I had any spare 54r. Guess what he got?
They all fired.
I later told him the story. He washed his hands for about half a hour.

Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:34 pm
by Sim G
Gaz wrote: These stories of "GIANT CACHE OF DEATH NEUTRALISED BY BRAVE COPS" are invariably based on police press releases made available to local and national reporters alike. Some of those pictures are obviously taken with a phone camera by the family themselves, while the pictures of the dud ammo has all the hallmarks of police PR - gloved hands (intended to make the reader think "ah, forensics, they'll catch the buggers!) and zoomed out far enough to make actual details difficult to pick out.

This type of thing usually makes it as a page lead on a local paper because it's relatively rare, and because neither reporter nor editor nor (the vast majority of) readers actually understand that the greatest danger from hauls like this is more likely to be lead poisoning rather than any ability to explode or be fired.

Police like to plug these things heavily to try and win brownie points for their "public confidence" agenda. With a bit of nouse you can see most of what they recover tends to be either stolen tacticool .22s or rusty old pistols that haven't seen any maintenance since May 1945.

The logical conclusion of this police PR strategy is the shocking and disgraceful raid on Mick Shepherd, which was done hand-in-glove with the press (who enjoy being invited along to see a few doors kicked in, heads banged together and some hardware to play with - as would anyone here, I suspect) purely for PR purposes. As we all know well, Mick was as innocent as a newborn lamb and the police fishing expedition failed to turn up anything.

I would put money on the couple in this story being interviewed either after a briefing from the police PR, to "suggest" things to mention to the reporter, or with the PR handlers actually present to prompt them to say how terrified they were when they found the corroded old brass (clue - not so terrified as to pick it up, walk off with it and show it to their mates!) and how glad they were to see brave PC Plod turning up to save them from CERTAIN DEATH or some such rubbish.

As a local news editor I always avoided running these PR pieces unless I could tell for myself that they'd found something worthwhile. That happened rarely.
Goodness me Gaz, haven't seen such anti-police rhetoric of this magnitude, from you in a while...

Go on, give them a bell. Ask if they did as you suggest....

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Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:34 pm
by Dougan
Burner wrote:What pray tell could a cat have done with it?
That's exactly what I thought - Does the cat have a grudge?

Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:52 pm
by meles meles
or a Tommy gun ?

Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:14 pm
by Gaz
Sim G wrote:Goodness me Gaz, haven't seen such anti-police rhetoric of this magnitude, from you in a while...

Go on, give them a bell. Ask if they did as you suggest....

Press Office hours
Monday - Friday: 07:15am – 5:15pm
Saturday - Sunday: 9am - 4pm (and Bank Holidays)
Contact Telephone: 01245 452450.
"Good morning. Tell me, will you admit to briefing members of the public before they were interviewed by the press?"

"No comment"

... :roll:

Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:41 am
by etprescottuk
Dougan wrote:
Burner wrote:What pray tell could a cat have done with it?
That's exactly what I thought - Does the cat have a grudge?
House cats are always getting hold of live ammo, in the papers all the time. Especially those Siamese cats, can't trust a Siamese cat with ammo.

Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:06 am
by Blu
House cats are always getting hold of live ammo, in the papers all the time. Especially those Siamese cats, can't trust a Siamese cat with ammo.

Damn straight, and nor your guns.
Siamese_Cat.jpg
Blu :twisted:

Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:49 am
by Sim G
Gaz wrote:"Good morning. Tell me, will you admit to briefing members of the public before they were interviewed by the press?"

"No comment"

... :roll:

Now, now Gaz, judging from the time of your post, you didn't call them. So is the conversation an assumption or "British reporting standard Number 1"....? :squirrel:

Re: Leeds 'Cache' found

Posted: Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:05 am
by Gaz
Sim G wrote:
Gaz wrote:"Good morning. Tell me, will you admit to briefing members of the public before they were interviewed by the press?"

"No comment"

... :roll:

Now, now Gaz, judging from the time of your post, you didn't call them. So is the conversation an assumption or "British reporting standard Number 1"....? :squirrel:
Just imagining the likely response to an enquiry about openness and transparency in the police, old bean. :twisted: