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Gun Pimp wrote:

hitchphil wrote:

If you want to go the extra distance - out to 1000 yards - then a longer barrel is really needed.

Not always true - my 308's - 1 in12 twist 26" Madco on a Swing action bedded into an Anschutz 1813 wooden stock is more accurate at 1000yds than my 30" 1 in 13 Walther barrel on an RPA / HPS rifle. ..... & its the other way round at 300yds.

Many long range shooters go for higher twist with shorter barrel length (but pay for it in increased wear rates).

I don't see the relevance that your Madco is more accurate than your Lothar Walther barrel at 1000 yards. What's your definition of accuracy?

If we are talking about competitive FTR - which I thought we were - then to be competitive, you will need to match the ballistics of your competitors - they will all be using 30 - 32 inch barrels and pushing their 155s at 3000 fps plus.

Tell me when anyone won a 1000 yard FTR League shoot with a 26 inch barrel!

Hi Gun Pimp Naw think u missed the opening gambit of the thread so dont agree. The original post clearly said:

build a nice step for shooting F/TR, we are only talking club level as i don't have the time, skill or money to be worth competing

My definition of accuracy is MOA (or fractions of) in the elevation more than wind axis & my 26" Swing is better because its a higher twist? poss? but it is- just better than my RPA 30”1in13 etc etc ?

So I had listed 2 rifles on Gunstar that fit that seem to bill & leave £ change to scope it etc. Lots of good stuff on scopes that I am not competent to comment on, & then some debate on budget FTR & barrel length was introduced; & my point is for what Paxtond was looking for a in a compromise? - the first is a 32" heavy barrel the 2nd with a 30" heavy either would suffice. Ovenpaa added that longer barrel will help with wind as higher MV will be less affected & that is true but wind or horizontal axis variation is also down to the ability to read it (sadly I’m not a great role model here!). But in my definition elevation consistency I bet there isn’t that much between a 26 & a 32" barrel (I define that as statistically significant & the null hypothesis is disproved & P <0.05 tesnews ). I never suggested using a 26" TR vs. a 32” heavy barrel - but I strongly suggest a good TR action with a decent barrel - QED?

have decided i am going to import the bits i want as EB are useless.

going to buy

1x savage 12F/TR .308

Nightforce NSX 12-42x56

sent of payment for a export permit today so just need to wait for approval and then order my rifle and scope.

will properly take a couple of months to get in my hands but I'm in no hurry

paxtond wrote:have decided i am going to import the bits i want as EB are useless.

going to buy

1x savage 12F/TR .308

Nightforce NSX 12-42x56

sent of payment for a export permit today so just need to wait for approval and then order my rifle and scope.

will properly take a couple of months to get in my hands but I'm in no hurry

Good choice - should be an interesting exercise - keep us informed.

Old thread I know but how are people finding the Savage 12 FTR? Barrel life, preferred loads, any issues?

Seriously thinking of getting one of these as an early Xmas present - possibly second hand but can't find one so will have to buy new.

Either that or play the waiting game and see if a suitable, other make, second hand rifle comes available.

Thanks in advance for any replies gents.

A guy in my club has one and loves it. He did end up putting it in one of those Dolphin stocks though.

A guy at my club has one too and loves it !