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tackb wrote:eewww a little bit of sick came up when i looked at the volvo..................

It ain't pretty, but it works, and thats what you want if your life depends on it!

My mate was involved with the selection process and there were some good pistols in there, but as he said, there's no disputing Glock does the job........ and helped that Glock is already entrenched in the UK with the police

They went for the cheapest basally. As for the selection they said the same about the SA/80.

As for reliability. Glock 23 kaboom - YouTube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP7CYxvwy4k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeQEpWqo0mw

I honestly thought that the GP35 had already been replaced completely by the SiG 220 series.

Out of interest, how does the British army issue handguns now? Will these be issued to any and all squaddies, or is a handgun in the British army still only for officers and lorry drivers?

I know there's numerous variables in that question, but on paper, does a soldier get: 1x boots, 1x helmet, 1x L85, and 1x G17?

Lookalikes :lol:

Diana



Glock

Browning GP good in its day but really should have been replaced some years ago. Apart from the obvious ones (Glock, Sig, FN and H&K) does anyone know for sure what pistols were involved in the trials process. A link to any trials data would be nice.

Off the top of my head;

Glock 17 gen 3
Glock 17 gen 4
H&K P30
FNP
S&W M&P
Ruger SR9
Beretta Px4
Springfield XD/HS2000
Sig P250

While I was often a critic of the Browning - any gun you have to put the mag back in to ease springs is asking for an ND - I am wondering about this selection. I have never handled a Glock, so don't know how robust / heavy / bulky it is, but it doesn't look like the neatest machine to hold and fire 10 rounds of 9mm. As aircrew those were always my biggest issues with the Browning - I envied the FJ aircrew with their little James Bond gun (until I found out how reliable it was).

Iain
who used to have a job asking "Oh really?" of MoD and manufacturers on behalf of the troops on the ground.

I am not a fan of the Glock, I am of the Hi-Power. I carried the Browning daily for several years and even had a couple o' three in civvy street. But, the Glock works. It is reliable, it is accurate and will no doubt be so much easier to train with than either the previous GP35 or P226.

I once read that the Glock factory had a G19 that had fired close to half a million rounds without a major breakage or significant wear..

Oh and Iain, we had a Walther PP in the office that used to get an outing every now and again when the boss wanted to impress the "locals"..... It would get a range outing every now and then. Fiesty little bugger that loved to (hammer) bite!

Sim G wrote:I am not a fan of the Glock,. But, the Glock works. It is reliable, it is accurate and will no doubt be so much easier to train with than either the previous GP35 or P226.

I once read that the Glock factory had a G19 that had fired close to half a million rounds without a major breakage or significant wear..

Sounds like you are a fan ...

I understand the affection for the gun you were first trained on - I will always pick an FN FAL in a crisis (though I prefer the Argentinian full-auto folding stock version to the SLR - practical experience is worth a thousand manuals) - but you assess the Glock as acceptable in all the fields I can think of for a military personal defence weapon other than the weight / bulk issues I raised earlier. Just because it is in large part plastic isn't an issue - every Airbus aircraft and one or two Boeings are now plastic - materials engineering is a truly awesome science.

If it's a good bit of kit, then I wish that it well serves the men and women who will carry it for the next 20 years or so.

Iain

IainWR wrote:- every Airbus aircraft and one or two Boeings are now plastic .

Iain

5 Dreamliner accidents in 5 days this week, ooman: not so good an analogy as you thought...