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Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 10:55 pm
by Fedaykin
Sixshot6 wrote:Fedaykin wrote:Sixshot6 wrote:
Thanks Fedaykin, I thought I had done something wrong questioning the guy and asking him to do something other than laugh and criticize but you're right. We should have an opinion, to quote some French politicians many moons ago "You cannot leave the fighting to the generals". Look where that leads us. Maybe the Germans at HK were future proofing or pulling a surreal form of German humor on us? Plus of course we need spares. Its not like we're making any. I'm glad for people like you. People like John MH guilt trip me into feeling bad, especially after I said he had been trolling, but that's what his behavior was like. Thank you. To bad the thread was so badly ruined.
There has been some debate about the A3 marked receivers, I haven't got a clue how many were made or even when. Certainly they were part of H&K's ongoing support contracts to support the L85 ever since BAE Systems Land Systems gave up on the rifle and its small arms business. I presume H&K used tooling to make the receivers from the shut down BAE site in Barrow, for that matter they might have been stored away since the overhaul and were marked up more recently as A3 to just denote their injection into the system. Some have speculated that H&K were putting the A3 mark on them to put the idea in the MOD's collective head that more rifles could be made but I am personally sceptical.
Cranfield University has been doing some interesting contract work for the MOD more recently taking weight out of the design and using a Stellite barrel so there might well be life in the old girl yet.
On a side note got a chance to fire a Grand Old Lady of British service rifles today, a Martini Henry. Had a huge grin on my face!
Good, I'll have to fire one, one of these days. If you're ever in my neck of the woods, you can have a go with my VZ MARS. Also sorry for the private messages, you don't have to reply to them. I just got a bit worried when I sent them and one the sentences I regret. But good on Cranfield for doing that. What is Stellite anyway as far as metals go?
Hadn't even noticed you had sent a private message
So haven't had a chance yet to be offended or not!
Stellite is a Cobolt Chromium alloy that is highly wear resistant. The US use it to line the barrels of their M2 heavy machine guns.
Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:02 pm
by Fedaykin
John MH wrote:Most of this Multi-Calibre, LH switchable to RH nonsense is to cater for the US civilian market, it has no real 'practical' military use. Think about it.
Barrels cannot be made out of Stellite it's a surface lining that can be applied to the bore, we have valve seats with it at work but it contains cobalt and that's a significant disadvantage in it's application as a wear resistant coating in that particular application.
It's too brittle to make a barrel completely out of Stellite.
The barrel is Stellite lined, should of made that a bit clearer. See I can have an off day on gun nerdishness!
Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:03 pm
by John MH
Fedaykin, crack on. The earth revolves around the sun, each to their own, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but sometimes 'bolloxs' is spouted as fact. All shooting forums are full of experts; some more expert than others. All shooting forums have their fair share of low bandwidth idiots, some get culled, some don't.
As written in many (well only one but it's true) of my annual reports "MH doesn't suffer fools gladly", if I think your wrong or attempting to bullshit I'll challenge you; I'm happy to be proved wrong but nevertheless I'll challenge. If I'm wrong and you are right I'll eat humble pie and make it quite clear that I made an error, I cant say fairer than that.
Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:06 pm
by ordnance
All shooting forums are full of experts; some more expert than others. All shooting forums have their fair share of low bandwidth idiots, some get culled, some don't.
Very true, you know what they say.
Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:07 pm
by John MH
DaveB wrote:
The NZ-issued F88 Steyr IW can be, and often is, configured to shoot left handed. It's quite a simple task that really doesn't even need an armourer to do it, however I believe that for reasons of control and record-keeping we do require that it be done by an armourer. I'll confirm this with the armourers at work on Tuesday if anybody is interested.
Fill your boots Shipmate, I don't really care, but as a battle rifle should they not all be the same so if you have to pick up a discarded one to defend yourself when the chips are down you'd want one that was the same as the last one you picked up?
Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:08 pm
by John MH
ordnance wrote:All shooting forums are full of experts; some more expert than others. All shooting forums have their fair share of low bandwidth idiots, some get culled, some don't.
Very true, you know what they say.
Yes true, your days are numbered.
Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:09 pm
by Fedaykin
DaveB wrote:
The NZ-issued F88 Steyr IW can be, and often is, configured to shoot left handed. It's quite a simple task that really doesn't even need an armourer to do it, however I believe that for reasons of control and record-keeping we do require that it be done by an armourer. I'll confirm this with the armourers at work on Tuesday if anybody is interested.
Very interested to know that, are the NZ AUG Australian produced AUSTEYR?
Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:18 pm
by Sixshot6
Fedaykin wrote:DaveB wrote:
The NZ-issued F88 Steyr IW can be, and often is, configured to shoot left handed. It's quite a simple task that really doesn't even need an armourer to do it, however I believe that for reasons of control and record-keeping we do require that it be done by an armourer. I'll confirm this with the armourers at work on Tuesday if anybody is interested.
Very interested to know that, are the NZ AUG Australian produced AUSTEYR?
They also have a selector switch on them instead of just controlling the trigger as well.
Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:20 pm
by John MH
Sixshot6 wrote:
They also have a selector switch on them instead of just controlling the trigger as well.
Eh?
Re: New British Army Rifle?
Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:33 pm
by Sixshot6
John MH wrote:Sixshot6 wrote:
They also have a selector switch on them instead of just controlling the trigger as well.
Eh?
No full auto or semi swtich on a normal Aug. Instead the rate of fire is controlled by how far the trigger is pulled. This was I guess deemed by the Aussie's as too much that could go wrong with their soldiers (can't think of any other reason and a trigger like that seems an accident waiting to happen on anything other than a battlefield). It also explains why civvie versions like the uk straight pulls have a not so user friendly trigger. Its a left over of that design.