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breacher wrote:Looks like a Harrington and Richards in .32

Just checked and you look closer to what I thought breacher. Say does anyone know how long after the submission has closed when we'll find out what they are suggesting? I checked and one of the last home office committee consultations in 2004 recommending banning LBR's and nothing happened.

Sixshot6 wrote:

breacher wrote:Looks like a Harrington and Richards in .32

Just checked and you look closer to what I thought breacher. Say does anyone know how long after the submission has closed when we'll find out what they are suggesting? I checked and one of the last home office committee consultations in 2004 recommending banning LBR's and nothing happened.

Who knows! However I don't think the Tory's are keen to ban anything however that's not the case with the police and homeoffice ! Anyone who thinks that them are not going use this chance to disarmed the population as much as population and ban things they don't like is deluded ! This is biggest threat to us since dunblane and they will use the media and sheeple to force the governments hand just like in 1997
I think we be lucky next year to have turn bolt action rifles with a Max mag capacity of 3 rounds no semi auto anything, no more handguns of any kind, no section one shotguns and no 50 cals

And certainly no ar-15s etc

Gaz wrote: Does anyone know what it is, or what it would have been chambered in?

Is a good quality, Belgian copy of a Smith and Wesson double action top break. Originally the S&Ws were chambered in .32 S&W, but more likely than not, this is probably .320 British CF. A.32 S&W chambered gun would be s5 and a .320 Brit, s58. However, either way, the ammunition is s1 and requires certification. Certification he would have been unlikely to have attained give. His previous criminal record and I believe life ban due to the virtue of s21. On that, did the extension of s21 banning certain individuals from owning s58 come in before, or after this incident?

So we have a criminal who at least commits offences against s1 of the Firearm Act, and possibly s5 of the same Act. s18 of the Offences against the Person Act 1861 ( should have been attempt murder in my book.... Effing CPS), on top of which, s16 possession with intent to endanger life, s17(1) using a firearm to resist or prevent a lawful arrest, s17(2) possssion at time of committing or resisting being arrested for a specified offence, s18 carrying a firearm with criminal intent/resist arrest..... He got 16 years. Guess which offences above actually carry a life sentence? All of them except ammunition under s1!

The Law Commission submit this as "evidence"? Instead of firearms law perhaps they need to look at charging and sentencing standards. You want to prevent use by the criminal element? Charge separately and sentence consecutively. Start chucking some life sentences about instead of offending behaviour courses and see how criminals distance themselves from guns....

Meanwhile more agressive tactics work elsewhere:

The gun control supporters have been ordered by a federal judge to pay nearly $112,000 to Tennessee ammunition vendor Lucky Gunner, one of several businesses against which the anti-gunners filed a frivolous lawsuit backed by the Brady Campaign’s legal arm, the Brady Center. Lucky Gunner has promised to donate the anti-gunners’ cash to the pro-gun organization receiving the most votes from the public.

http://www.luckygunner.com/brady-v-lucky-gunner

anyone submitted any replies yet?

Only just finished reading the report in detail!

I have started to draft responses to the LC's proposals and consultation questions, but this is not 5 minute job.

On the subject of 'lethality' and the proposed 1 joule threshold, it may be of interest to note that an adult, throwing a cricket ball can impart an average of 147 joules into the projectile and that same adult swinging a claw hammer at a conservative 10m/s will create a force of over 200 joules.

Of course neather ball nor hammer are lethal weapons and nor does the individual using them require certification.

Do you have sources for those two - very useful indeed to make the comparison.

I've started drafting up a response. Suspect mine will end up about 20 pages long.

Gaz wrote:Do you have sources for those two - very useful indeed to make the comparison.

I've started drafting up a response. Suspect mine will end up about 20 pages long.

Are you going to let anyone on this forum give you any suggestions Gaz? I might have some if you are ok with me suggesting something.

Interesting link about energies associated with different things (including some shooting references).

http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/energies.htm

1 Joule is in effect the energy lost by an apple falling about a 1 meter. In other words, not much....