Use of electronic targetry on MOD ranges now banned

[Fedaykin]

Dromia beat me to it

We just want openness from the NRA, that doesn't mean we need to know all the secret details just what is happening, why it is happening and what the processes are. It needs to be public on their website and the national shooting press, not second hand from various people on a web forum.

[AR15]

Had an interesting chat with Iain at the NRA, thanks Iain. I retract the comments I made above and understand your position. Lets hope this new info can be of use.

[Fedaykin]

On a side note, are you involved with Lan-Tac in any way or form AR15? I am planning a rifle build and was wanting some pricing for some bits and bobs.

[John MH]

Well you did John MH, these are your words:

You are very likely to derail any negotiations the NRA are having with the MoD on the rewrite of JSP 403 by doing your own crusade.

Now you are saying:

I don’t know if the NRA are in discussion with the MoD on the rewrite of JSP 403

These discussions are normal business, not secret.

I have access to the JSP 403 Changes Tracker, there are currently no items about Civilian Clubs on it but that does not mean that there has not been any communication.

[John MH]

Surely if people were informed in the first place about what is or isn't going on then they would be less likely to be ill informed.

Why are the recognised lines of communication only being used now? Why weren't they used when this new targetry was tabled? Is there or isn't there an ongoing mechanism for negotiating civilian use of MoD ranges with the MoD? If so where has it failed in this instance?

This has the distinct feel of being made up as we are going along.

Considering the possible and in your interpretation likely consequences of this it looks very bad indeed.

The only people making it up as they along are those who don’t actually know how the system works. The impact of the introduction of new target systems may not have been on the NRA radar although you did let them know in December, albeit probably the wrong person. There may actually be no issue here and it may be easily cleared up but the MoD and the DIO are risk averse, ask them too many questions and they will either seek the easy option and say ‘no’ or look long and hard at the arrangements in place and, to be quite frank, those arrangements (documented procedures) are not at all robust when compared to the mountain of paperwork the MoD has had to put into their Safe System of Training, they would not stand up to scrutiny.

I am sure that IWR is taking note and making enquiries but the wheels of the MoD move slowly and this is in no way a priority for them. A local solution may be found very quickly but work will have to be done to address the holes that there clearly are in the current arrangements if we as civilian shooters are to be able to provide assurance and demonstrate to the MoD that we are safe and competent.

[Fedaykin]

Well you did John MH, these are your words:

You are very likely to derail any negotiations the NRA are having with the MoD on the rewrite of JSP 403 by doing your own crusade.

Now you are saying:

I don’t know if the NRA are in discussion with the MoD on the rewrite of JSP 403

These discussions are normal business, not secret.

I have access to the JSP 403 Changes Tracker, there are currently no items about Civilian Clubs on it but that does not mean that there has not been any communication.

Interesting, thanks.

[AR15]

Please drop me a line at paul.o@lan-tac.com would be happy to help :)

There is a simple NRA ETR qualification that an RCO can take and Landmarc are willing and able to facilitate training to make it SARTS compliant.
The NRA need to organise this and there is a level of bureaucracy that has to be dealt with in the correct way (its sad but a fact) it would seem. Hopefully the contact I passed onto Iain today can start to get the ball rolling and they can work together to get a solution for us.
I think there may well be another solution for our clubs too, as a number of others have got the relevant qualifications outside of the NRA and this may be a quicker option.

[Fedaykin]

Taa muchly AR15, I am getting the MDT LSS chassis in the next month or so (girlfriend permitting ). They use an AR15 buffer tube, pistol grip and adjustable stock.

Will email you when I have ordered the chassis.

[John MH]

Just be aware that Landmarc don't actually provide training but that doesn't mean something can't be worked out with the relevant Training provider. All you will need to do then is convince Major Fox that he should allow you to shoot at ETR/SARTS Targets if its just a local issue.

[AR15]

Sorry not Landmarc, MOD.