Law Commission recommends total overhaul of firearms laws

[Blu]

Dougan,

The point I'm trying to make, is that Neil may not have endeared himself to the forum, but he's no 'anti'...

I never said or insinuated that he was anti Dougan but I do think he is very narrow minded in his views on other shooting disciplines.

[/quote]and to compare him to Yardley is wrong...[/quote]

Well Dougan going back and reading the pistol petition thread again I'd pretty much say they are both reading from the same book.

.I noticed that the photo used on the page dedicated to it was of a shooter using an LBP with a red-dot sight...that doesn't suggest to me that the NRA or anyone involved in GR events is putting down other disciplines.

I'm not saying that's what the UK NRA thinks but to say "or anyone involved in GR" is wrong. Go back and read again what he wrote, that from a man who is on the GR committee or whatever it's called and tell me he wouldn't throw other disciplines under the bus just as long as GR is okay. Hell he wrote it on these very threads and Mike Yardley is doing the exact same thing on FB only differently, they both believe they are right and everyone else is wrong, they are both throwing other disciplines under the bus and both being very sanctimonious about it.

Dougan, despite what we as sportsmen think of any other discipline or the firearms used in said disciplines, we as sportsmen must always show a untied front. The comments from the likes of Yardley and Francis didn't and don't do that. They are an antis wet dream.

[DaveFirearmsUK]

If you have a look at this latest consultation paper you will note one person asked to submit advice is one Professor Peter Squires. Whilst Peter Squires is known to this forum as a prominent anti and member of the GCN I think it is worth posting this slanderous lecture from three years ago where he lays also sorts of horrid allegations against gun owners. He has also accused gun owners of being likely Paedophiles and inherently cruel. He WILL be submitting his poison to this consultation and we must make sure that what he says is countered in a rational reasonable way!

An important warning, if you are planning to watch your way through this video make sure you sellotape a cushion to a wall to ensure the safety of your forehead and fists as you smash them against it...

I'm just going out to do a charity thing today but thanks for sharing this, I've sent it to the rest of the team to see what we can do.

[Fedaykin]

Peter Squires is a self proclaimed expert on Gun Crime and shooting. He also has publicly proclaimed that he does not know much about guns and shooting. Nevertheless because he is a Professor and calls himself an expert he gets asked to submit responses to consultations such as this one.

Watch this video below and scroll to 1:48, if that pistol is indeed a Replica Professor Peter I hope you are UKARA registered and an active reenactor or member of an Airsoft site and regularly participating in events that permit you to posses a replica. If it is instead an Air Pistol or a deac then it is not a replica then you are either ignorant of the difference or outright lying to play up to the journo. Funnily I think the former is more likely albeit he is showing it to play up to the journo.

I remember mentioning it to Gaz a while back, we should've asked him to officially request for Squires to prove he is an active reenactor or Airsoft participant to allow possession of a RIF:

[joe]

because of bellends like squires and acpo, my biggest worry with this poxy review is any changes to the definations set down for section 5 firearms! long barrel pistols / revolvers, lever release / mars, striaght pull ar-15's, ak, fals etc are what the police consider loopholes and errors in the law that needs correcting ! to make the above firearms / actions section 5 IT WOULDNT BE HARD TO WORD A DEFINATION AT ALL and then make it RETROSPECTIVE!

imagine only being allowed to own TURN BOLT action rifles up to a maxmum caliber of 7.62mm/.308 and shotguns only

[Dougan]

Dougan,

The point I'm trying to make, is that Neil may not have endeared himself to the forum, but he's no 'anti'...

I never said or insinuated that he was anti Dougan but I do think he is very narrow minded in his views on other shooting disciplines.

and to compare him to Yardley is wrong...[/quote]

Well Dougan going back and reading the pistol petition thread again I'd pretty much say they are both reading from the same book.

.I noticed that the photo used on the page dedicated to it was of a shooter using an LBP with a red-dot sight...that doesn't suggest to me that the NRA or anyone involved in GR events is putting down other disciplines.

I'm not saying that's what the UK NRA thinks but to say "or anyone involved in GR" is wrong. Go back and read again what he wrote, that from a man who is on the GR committee or whatever it's called and tell me he wouldn't throw other disciplines under the bus just as long as GR is okay. Hell he wrote it on these very threads and Mike Yardley is doing the exact same thing on FB only differently, they both believe they are right and everyone else is wrong, they are both throwing other disciplines under the bus and both being very sanctimonious about it.

Dougan, despite what we as sportsmen think of any other discipline or the firearms used in said disciplines, we as sportsmen must always show a untied front. The comments from the likes of Yardley and Francis didn't and don't do that. They are an antis wet dream.[/quote]




Well I've had a read back over both 'petition' threads, and I'll stand by anything I said, then and now.

In the first one, you and others give Francis a hard time...but it's the eventual handbags between you and Alpha that gets the thread locked...

...then in the 'part 2', you, Sim, Adam and others give Neil such a hard time that he eventually makes a stupid comment; the point at which I had to say I couldn't continue to defend him - But despite that I still think he was provoked, and was answering specific and antagonistic 'interrogation'...which is why I'm saying that he can not be compared to Yardley, who goes out of his way to spout his anti agenda.

I think the thing that re-reading it all has made me realise (bearing in mind that was a year ago), is that there are some on here who have a massive chip on their shoulders about the NRA; and those from, or representing the NRA, are not given the same latitude or courtesy as everyone else...with some (those who always say we should be "united"), saying that they would not support GR just because they disagreed with NF's opinions...SAD

And, at the end of the day, he was right...the petition didn't even get a quarter of the signatures it needed...and more effort and energy spent actually shooting would have done far more good.

[dromia]

And, at the end of the day, he was right...the petition didn't even get a quarter of the signatures it needed...and more effort and energy spent actually shooting would have done far more good.

That wasn't the petitions fault, it was shooters fault for not signing, it is not an either or situation which is a divisive approach which most shooters seem to revel in and to which you seem to subscribe to also.

Francis is what he is and says and has said what he has said and continues to do so, his divisive view of gun ownership is his and stays with him. It isn't an aberration that appeared whilst he was on here and getting a legitimate challenge from people who think his view is wrong.

He has said his piece and is judged by that, he hasn't rescinded it and continues to spout his narrow bigoted view albeit not on here thank goodness.

I give him credit for that although I put it down more to cowardice than integrity.

[bradaz11]

Peter Squires is a self proclaimed expert on Gun Crime and shooting. He also has publicly proclaimed that he does not know much about guns and shooting. Nevertheless because he is a Professor and calls himself an expert he gets asked to submit responses to consultations such as this one.

Watch this video below and scroll to 1:48, if that pistol is indeed a Replica Professor Peter I hope you are UKARA registered and an active reenactor or member of an Airsoft site and regularly participating in events that permit you to posses a replica. If it is instead an Air Pistol or a deac then it is not a replica then you are either ignorant of the difference or outright lying to play up to the journo. Funnily I think the former is more likely albeit he is showing it to play up to the journo.

I remember mentioning it to Gaz a while back, we should've asked him to officially request for Squires to prove he is an active reenactor or Airsoft participant to allow possession of a RIF:

I totally agree with the sentiment, wholeheartedly! BUT... He doesn't need to prove anything, you do not need to be either to possess, only to SELL, manufacture, or import. So technically, you do not need to be an airsofter to BUY one**, just to sell one, like most laws, its very well thought out

**but all retailers and most 2nd hand places will insist that you show you are a 'softer

[joe]

If you have a look at this latest consultation paper you will note one person asked to submit advice is one Professor Peter Squires. Whilst Peter Squires is known to this forum as a prominent anti and member of the GCN I think it is worth posting this slanderous lecture from three years ago where he lays also sorts of horrid allegations against gun owners. He has also accused gun owners of being likely Paedophiles and inherently cruel. He WILL be submitting his poison to this consultation and we must make sure that what he says is countered in a rational reasonable way!

An important warning, if you are planning to watch your way through this video make sure you sellotape a cushion to a wall to ensure the safety of your forehead and fists as you smash them against it...

I'm just going out to do a charity thing today but thanks for sharing this, I've sent it to the rest of the team to see what we can do.

squires talks a total load of bullshit of the highest order with no facts or figures to prove his worthless case! one thing in particular that enraged me was that he stated that "gun owners who are victumised by burglers....and shoot them are not getting proscuted......firearms shouldnt be the bedroom.........american style...."

lets just forget one minute that is not wise to use a fiream to protect your self in this country for well know reasons, this deleted admitted that being victumised ie terroised by some burgler who prob on crack and is armed with somthing, causing you to fear for your life you should be proscuted for darying to defend you self from the said scum !! really so what squires we should give up our lives or get beaten or stabbed then dare use a firearm or anything else for the good of society???
GO AND YOUR SOCIETY SQUIRES !

he believes that self defence is only for the state ! this what left wring cretains want !


ps not that advcating using your firearms in self defence unless in extremme circumstances but it is the point that he is making ! ie self defence with a gun is bad unless you are police then shoot away


This post has been edited due to foul and inappropriate language

[dromia]

Once again someone has gone over the top with foul and inappropriate language.

Deliberately trying to circumvent the language filter is deliberately flouting the forum rules and holding this forum and its members in contempt.

If you cannot express your disgust for squires in a more acceptable, articulate and intelligent manner the I suggest that you can find another forum to frequent.

[Sim G]

I think the thing that re-reading it all has made me realise (bearing in mind that was a year ago), is that there are some on here who have a massive chip on their shoulders about the NRA; and those from, or representing the NRA, are not given the same latitude or courtesy as everyone else...with some (those who always say we should be "united"), saying that they would not support GR just because they disagreed with NF's opinions...SAD

Francis would sell his soul and sacrifice everyone else's sport and possessions as long as it allowed him to remain untouched. He displayed that here, he's preached such else where.

You think this goes back 12 months? No, I've thought Francis was a large male chicken/hammer all the way back/penis for over 20 years....