Law Commission recommends total overhaul of firearms laws

[Fedaykin]

If you have a look at this latest consultation paper you will note one person asked to submit advice is one Professor Peter Squires. Whilst Peter Squires is known to this forum as a prominent anti and member of the GCN I think it is worth posting this slanderous lecture from three years ago where he lays also sorts of horrid allegations against gun owners. He has also accused gun owners of being likely Paedophiles and inherently cruel. He WILL be submitting his poison to this consultation and we must make sure that what he says is countered in a rational reasonable way!

An important warning, if you are planning to watch your way through this video make sure you sellotape a cushion to a wall to ensure the safety of your forehead and fists as you smash them against it...

[Blu]

Dougan,

don't think it's fair to keep having a pop at Neil Francis; especially grouping him in with Yardley...

...you may not agree with his opinions, but unlike Yardley, he does not, and never has, gone out of his way to put down any form of shooting...on this forum he was asked his opinion; then when he gave an honest one, was totally slated...it was rude and embarrassing...

Well Dougan if I may quote you from the pistol petition thread.

Neil - I stuck my neck out for you earlier in this thread as I agreed that getting people shooting, and competing more could be more effective than yet another petition...

...then you come out with this stuff...so please excuse me if I don't back you up on the forum again.

The only thing that was embarrassing mate was the guys views on other shooting disciplines.

...what he does go out of his way to do is promote Gallery Rifle shooting; which he's very good at.

Yes I agree he did and does, the problem I had with the guy was he was prepared to put down other shooting disciplines to further promote his own discipline.

[joe]

i nearly read the whole lot and will making replies to each question, however on proposal 15, codfiy or consolidation of the fireams act ?? discuss

[Sixshot6]

"We are equally eager to know whether consultees have any examples of unnecessary costs incurred that are attributable to the deficiencies with the current legislative regime."

Here's my proposal then.

It should not be necessary for a fit and proper person to justify the acquisition of each individual firearm prior to purchase. Therefore an FAC should permit the holder to acquire a specified number of firearms of a calibre and action appropriate to their reason for holding. Let's say that number is five for target shooting. They can buy and sell as often as they like to a maximum holding of five, with transactions recorded on the FAC and the licensing authority notified after the event. Only if they want to hold more than the permitted number do they need to apply for a variation.

That would reduce unneccesary costs

Great suggestion, Racalman I believe that's how it works in some European countries(Italy is one IIRC)

Better still simply make it like section 2.


Sixshot6- Apologies the template I was referring to would just be their proposals and questions so that people don't need to read through it all. We likely will share our own organisations response too that people may take ideas from.

Thank you, tell me if you can come up with something to counter the bit that is obviously aimed at MARS and lever release rifles also. I don't believe any firearm is more "dangerous" than another.

[Racalman]

i nearly read the whole lot and will making replies to each question, however on proposal 15, codfiy or consolidation of the fireams act ?? discuss

I read that bit twice and don't really understand it, so if anyone can explain what codification means and how it relates to the existing firearms acts I would appreciate it.

Otherwise I'm in favour of repealing all existing firearms acts and replacing them with one new one that does the lot. There is far too much legislation on the statute books and there should be a rule that says you can't pass a new law unless you repeal an old one.

[joe]

codification in this case is a total rewrite of the firearms act from the ground up

consolidation is just putting all the existing law (firearms) into one act with some remedies or changes

my concern. is that codification could be used as a stick beat to us ! for example define 'handgun so that the 97 ban would cover lbr's and lbp's

[Sixshot6]

codification in this case is a total rewrite of the firearms act from the ground up

consolidation is just putting all the existing law (firearms) into one act with some remedies or changes

my concern. is that codification could be used as a stick beat to us ! for example define 'handgun so that the 97 ban would cover lbr's and lbp's

That is one of my worries too. Though I reckon LBR/LBP's have become a bit "safer" since they first appeared from the legal side. Its recent developments like MARS and lever release's that are the main worry at this stage. Best to try and make some effort to steer this right though.

[Marmite5]

Professor Peter Squires, what a bigoted idiot.

[Sixshot6]

Professor Peter Squires, what a bigoted idiot.

If he ever levied those accusations against an individual he would be sued for defamation of character. The fact that someone like him with such unprofessional behavior and views can be kept on in a job of that nature is a damning of how the system employs these people.

[Dougan]

Dougan,

don't think it's fair to keep having a pop at Neil Francis; especially grouping him in with Yardley...

...you may not agree with his opinions, but unlike Yardley, he does not, and never has, gone out of his way to put down any form of shooting...on this forum he was asked his opinion; then when he gave an honest one, was totally slated...it was rude and embarrassing...

Well Dougan if I may quote you from the pistol petition thread.

Neil - I stuck my neck out for you earlier in this thread as I agreed that getting people shooting, and competing more could be more effective than yet another petition...

...then you come out with this stuff...so please excuse me if I don't back you up on the forum again.

The only thing that was embarrassing mate was the guys views on other shooting disciplines.

...what he does go out of his way to do is promote Gallery Rifle shooting; which he's very good at.

Yes I agree he did and does, the problem I had with the guy was he was prepared to put down other shooting disciplines to further promote his own discipline.

Yeah thanks for that reminder Blu...not! (barsteward razz )

The point I'm trying to make, is that Neil may not have endeared himself to the forum, but he's no 'anti'...he shouldn't be judged by an FBUK 'handbags at dawn' thread...and to compare him to Yardley is wrong...

...I looked earlier tonight on the NRA website for the Gallery Rifle National Championships info...I noticed that the photo used on the page dedicated to it was of a shooter using an LBP with a red-dot sight...that doesn't suggest to me that the NRA or anyone involved in GR events is putting down other disciplines.