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Plecotus wrote:and the more this happens, the more the public will cry out for a ban on all firearms ownership. We are supposed to be the most law-abiding sector of society. All this kind of behaviour suggests is that the vetting processes for firearms and shotgun licences doesn't work.

Like it or not, we're a minority community. if public firearm ownership was put to a referendum tomorrow, I think we'd all be crying by Friday. Comments like Gazza's, which appear to support this kind of action, only play further into the anti's hands.

FFS!!!

Gazza wrote:

Plecotus wrote:and the more this happens, the more the public will cry out for a ban on all firearms ownership. We are supposed to be the most law-abiding sector of society. All this kind of behaviour suggests is that the vetting processes for firearms and shotgun licences doesn't work.

Like it or not, we're a minority community. if public firearm ownership was put to a referendum tomorrow, I think we'd all be crying by Friday. Comments like Gazza's, which appear to support this kind of action, only play further into the anti's hands.

FFS!!!

Funnily enough, that was my first thought when I read your comments too but I am too well-mannered to post such a comment.

Plecotus wrote:and the more this happens, the more the public will cry out for a ban on all firearms ownership. We are supposed to be the most law-abiding sector of society. All this kind of behaviour suggests is that the vetting processes for firearms and shotgun licences doesn't work.

Totally agree. This is unacceptable behaviour whatever the arguments and passions. We're supposed to be the 'good guys' in this argument. (Although without a lot of reasoned explanation as to why culling is done and why it's essential for the good of farming businesses and the countryside via the media - which we're very unlikely to see given journalistic attitudes and priorities - we'll be seen as blood spattered sadists by a large section of the public come what may, even if we only shoot paper.)

I suspect where the real passion and hence anger arises is that this isn't only, or even primarily, about recreational pursuits. A combination of EU obsessive regulatory drive, probably none too good parliamentary draftmanship when directives became British law, NE incompetence, and actions by dedicated 'antis' determined to seek out every possible loophole to get their way irrespective of the wider consequences has put people's incomes and livelihoods at risk.

People get really worked up when this happens though a deliberate policy and course of action by one-issue 'activists' as here. Just imagine if the Greenpeace activists found a similar legal loophole and forced a shutdown of any form of transport using an internal combustion engine. Before you could say 'lynching party' they'd have a greater need to go underground and have police protection than Salman Rushdie ever did after the publication of the 'The Satanic Verses'. These factors don't make threats right or decent, but that's the way of the world. In many countries even in Europe, never mind the middle and far east, something like this would see mobs on the streets and farmers blocking roads and railway lines. Go back to the 18th and 19th century riots in this country and we'd have seen something like this too.

Plecotus just said it all..............

Pete

OK, let me clear something up.
I do not condone any death threats on packham or anyone I was simply making a statement which seems to have been taken the wrong way by a few.
I will put it another way.....
Statement: If you p*** into the wind you will get it back.

Gazza wrote:OK, let me clear something up.
I do not condone any death threats on packham or anyone I was simply making a statement which seems to have been taken the wrong way by a few.
I will put it another way.....
Statement: If you p*** into the wind you will get it back.

Now I do wonder if it is entirely Pckham's doing, this ban.
Maybe he is just the public figure head and Wild Justice is the main culprit.

christel wrote:

Gazza wrote:OK, let me clear something up.
I do not condone any death threats on packham or anyone I was simply making a statement which seems to have been taken the wrong way by a few.
I will put it another way.....
Statement: If you p*** into the wind you will get it back.

Now I do wonder if it is entirely Pckham's doing, this ban.
Maybe he is just the public figure head and Wild Justice is the main culprit.

The newly appointed boss of Natural England is Packhams friend apparently. It stinks, the whole lot of it.
The ban was all done and dusted and implemented in less than 36 hrs
I have a friend who works for Natural England and to say their arses are nipping at the moment is an understatement

Plecotus wrote:and the more this happens, the more the public will cry out for a ban on all firearms ownership. We are supposed to be the most law-abiding sector of society. All this kind of behaviour suggests is that the vetting processes for firearms and shotgun licences doesn't work.

Like it or not, we're a minority community. if public firearm ownership was put to a referendum tomorrow, I think we'd all be crying by Friday. Comments like Gazza's, which appear to support this kind of action, only play further into the anti's hands.

Totally agree...... whoever is sending threats etc isn't doing the shooting community any favours. We're better than that, a few potentially ruining it for the many.

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swotty wrote:

Plecotus wrote:and the more this happens, the more the public will cry out for a ban on all firearms ownership. We are supposed to be the most law-abiding sector of society. All this kind of behaviour suggests is that the vetting processes for firearms and shotgun licences doesn't work.

Like it or not, we're a minority community. if public firearm ownership was put to a referendum tomorrow, I think we'd all be crying by Friday. Comments like Gazza's, which appear to support this kind of action, only play further into the anti's hands.

Totally agree...... whoever is sending threats etc isn't doing the shooting community any favours. We're better than that, a few potentially ruining it for the many.

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theres no evidence that it was someone from the shooting community, however regardless of that, threats of violence are never justified, and should be condemned vigorously (as indeed they have been on every forum I have read) the fact that horrifying amounts of abuse and threats of torture and death are common on even some of the open media such as FB from anti's is no excuse for making threats ourselves, and I hope whoever was responsible in this case is caught and punished (I would also like for the Police to trawl through some of the anti sites and start taking their threats as seriously as they appear to have taken these)

Every time this happens, or in fact every time we get a free day at the weekend, we need to get someone who’s not shot before and take them out shooting.

The only way public opinion will change is if more of the public see how much fun, satisfaction and pleasure shooting can bring.

So save your online forum rants people and instead call that mate who once said they’d like to come and give it a go.