New Petition

[nfrancis]

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GCN03.htm
Blu

Yeah - so what? I'm guessing the only people having bookmarks to the GCN website is the likes of you. Frankly, who gives a stuff what they think or say?

[Ares590]

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Ring any bells? Exactly the same happens now. Exactly the same happened in 1997 and exactly the same happened in 1987. Please don't give me all this conspiracy bullshit about police oriented pedophile rings, incompetence, anti shooter and the like because this is exactly the kind of crap which just reinforces the notion that the average shooter is just the type of nutter guns should be kept away from.

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Why aren't you out there campaigning for tighter gun control then?
essentially what your saying is come the next mass shooting (especially if its committed with a gallery rifle) you bare part of the blame. you are responsible for dead children.
Ok I get it you want to promote your own discipline. but its incredibly hypocritical to support ownership of one type of gun, and say its ok that another is banned.
Would Dunblane have been ok if it had been a lever action rifle? rather than a 9mm pistol I think I know your answer.

[nfrancis]

Neil, I'm an active GR shooter that was lucky enough to briefly shoot pistols before the ban. Many of my club shooters and those of us that shoot at national level would happily go back to pistols as opposed to Marlins and Rugers. Myself, CormieAckImp and Lyons have even travelled elsewhere to shoot pistols.

Mike - fine - I can't see your point though. In the mainland UK its never going to happen. We need to align our shooting with what we are allowed to do.

In Europe and afar it can and does happen. This area is growing and people who are interested in this aspect of the sport do it.

[SevenSixTwo]

We also defend it.

If you don't want to sign it then don't - but stay out of our way.

[Sim G]

nfrancis - Why does it bother you that people are trying to bring them back? Why not wish them well and offer them support, even if you don't believe their efforts will be rewarded?

Because he has no interest in "gun ownership", but shooting. Coupled with the paranoia that should firearms legislation be brought under the microscope, there may be the possibility that something will come along legislative wise and restrict his shooting.

Campaigns such as this, particularly for the reintroduction of pistol ownership, which seem to Neil are dirty words even though shooting isn't, is too big a risk to his activity for him to offer it support.

A bit like deer stalkers......!! :lol:

[Blu]

nfrancis.

Maybe coz I just see political nativity in its daftest form - thinking on-line petitions will actually convince anyone of anything.

Maybe coz this stuff distracts from what we need to be doing. 100,000 people clicking links or 100,000 people shooting every week. What will make a difference?

750,000 people clicking away made a big enough difference to get pistols banned in the first place.

Maybe coz I'm just sick and tired of people moaning and winging about the same old stuff over and over and over again (for the last 15 years). Jeeze - get over it - go shooting with stuff you can do for god's sake.

People do go shooting with the stuff they have, that doesn't mean the should just give up when an injustice is done to them no matter the time scale.

Maybe coz I see people reverting to type and reinforcing the very stereotype that the UK public think we are and want us NOT to have guns!

Do you even read the scaremongering stuff that the media puts out about firearms? I'd guess not but like it or not the rubbish they put out does influence public opinion.

And so on..... You know - if I was a member of the GCN (whoever they actually are) and I wanted to promote my cause I'd simply point people to forums like this - there are loads of them.

Actually I was beginning to think you were already a member.

The saddest thing is >50% of people posting here don't think they are actually part of the problem - and thats the bloody problem :-(

Nah the saddest part of the problem is people like you who think there is no problem. Enjoy your shooting until the next restriction

Blu

[Blu]

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GCN03.htm
Blu

Yeah - so what? I'm guessing the only people having bookmarks to the GCN website is the likes of you. Frankly, who gives a stuff what they think or say?

Actually I don't have it bookmarked, I went searching for it. You said Marshall was irrelevant and when I show you that the opposite is true you come back with $h1te like "so what"

Whatever friend, I'll use no more on my time on you.

Blu

[nfrancis]

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Would Dunblane have been ok if it had been a lever action rifle? rather than a 9mm pistol I think I know your answer.

Groan.... - to quote a well known line in a well known movie - "you can't be this obtuse" .... a legally held and obtained firearm. You cannot be missing this point!

This is nothing to do with disciplines - thats a technical flamin' description in a highly technical sport. Do you really think a parent or general member of a community of a classroom of children killed by a man with a gun is bothered about the type of gun it was?

Neither would I be - I'd want them all gone forever. Can't you - even for an instant appreciate this? If you can't them perhaps its just why the general public can't quite work out why you should have guns.

[Alpha1]

Ring any bells? Exactly the same happens now. Exactly the same happened in 1997 and exactly the same happened in 1987. Please don't give me all this conspiracy bullshit about police oriented paedophile rings, incompetence, anti shooter and the like because this is exactly the kind of crap which just reinforces the notion that the average shooter is just the type of nutter guns should be kept away from.

I was a active pistol shooter when Dunblane went down. Actually the paedophile thing and the fact that he had friends in the local plod had a lot to do with the enquiry. It was not locked away for 99 years for no reason.

This is all starting to look very familiar funny how all the threads on pistol shooting end up the same way and its all ways the same posters involved they are right and every one else just has to be wrong. Boring Boring Boring and some of them don't even live in this Country so what's that all about.

[HALODIN]

As I said earlier, we can shoot and campaign in parallel, there's no problem there.

I've noticed there does seem to be a lot of bitterness about the loss of UK pistol shooting, but for later generations we've never known any different. The `oldies` look down at the ground as if they're remembering better times... It seems a shame the older generation think any effort is futile, maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Time heals all wounds as they say.

Perhaps pistols won't be reintroduced in my shooting lifetime, but my 8 year son might have a chance, he's a full member of our club and loves it. People don't think inter-generational and I'd suggest that's shortsighted. I have an LBR and a MLR on my variation that's due back anytime soon and I can't wait. Perhaps one day I can put in a variation for something better...

Fall seven times, stand up eight. —Japanese proverb

Yeah yeah - why? I dunnow....

Maybe coz I see the same old stuff just repeating itself every 2-3 years (online petitions etc). :-(

Maybe coz I just see political nativity in its daftest form - thinking on-line petitions will actually convince anyone of anything.

Maybe coz this stuff distracts from what we need to be doing. 100,000 people clicking links or 100,000 people shooting every week. What will make a difference?

Maybe coz I'm just sick and tired of people moaning and winging about the same old stuff over and over and over again (for the last 15 years). Jeeze - get over it - go shooting with stuff you can do for god's sake.

Maybe coz I see people reverting to type and reinforcing the very stereotype that the UK public think we are and want us NOT to have guns!

And so on..... You know - if I was a member of the GCN (whoever they actually are) and I wanted to promote my cause I'd simply point people to forums like this - there are loads of them.

The saddest thing is >50% of people posting here don't think they are actually part of the problem - and thats the bloody problem :-(