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j0e_bl0ggs wrote:

phaedra1106 wrote:Talked to the bATFe offices in Orlando and Tampa, didn't have a clue, they suggested the TSA as they have the final say as to what's allowed onto an aircraft in your luggage. Never had a problem with any TSA inspected luggage apart from Birchwood Casey Brass Case Cleaner which is a Hazmat problem if it leaks onto aluminium.

OK, sorry, still wrong!

Here is the official link to the definition from the BATFE (TSA are NOT the governing body - Transport Security Agency only there to cavity search innocent people) so 'talking' to them is meaningless seeing as it is not part of their purview.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/impo ... ition.html

Absolutely... as a follow on from the deadening blow of a response I got in my post asking about powder... the ITAR does in fact restrict the selling of ALL components of ammunition... including the brass cases, UNLESS they are dented/destroyed beyond repair. :(

j0e_bl0ggs wrote:

phaedra1106 wrote:Talked to the bATFe offices in Orlando and Tampa, didn't have a clue, they suggested the TSA as they have the final say as to what's allowed onto an aircraft in your luggage. Never had a problem with any TSA inspected luggage apart from Birchwood Casey Brass Case Cleaner which is a Hazmat problem if it leaks onto aluminium.

OK, sorry, still wrong!

Here is the official link to the definition from the BATFE The TSA are NOT the governing body - Transport Security Agency only there to cavity search innocent people, so 'talking' to them is meaningless seeing as it is not part of their purview.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/impo ... ition.html

No, I'm not wrong, you're just not reading what I wrote.

I said I'd talked to the bATFfe and they told me to talk to the TSA , I never said that the bATFfe were not the governing body or that the TSA were at any point.

Everything in your luggage or being taken onboard an aircraft is within the purview of the TSA, whether it has or needs an export license or not.

phaedra1106 wrote:

j0e_bl0ggs wrote:

phaedra1106 wrote:Talked to the bATFe offices in Orlando and Tampa, didn't have a clue, they suggested the TSA as they have the final say as to what's allowed onto an aircraft in your luggage. Never had a problem with any TSA inspected luggage apart from Birchwood Casey Brass Case Cleaner which is a Hazmat problem if it leaks onto aluminium.

OK, sorry, still wrong!

Here is the official link to the definition from the BATFE The TSA are NOT the governing body - Transport Security Agency only there to cavity search innocent people, so 'talking' to them is meaningless seeing as it is not part of their purview.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/guides/impo ... ition.html

No, I'm not wrong, you're just not reading what I wrote.

I said I'd talked to the bATFfe and they told me to talk to the TSA , I never said that the bATFfe were not the governing body or that the TSA were at any point.

Everything in your luggage or being taken onboard an aircraft is within the purview of the TSA, whether it has or needs an export license or not.

Then we will have to disagree as to who makes the rules regarding firearms and export from the USA, suffice to say that 'talking' obviously was a waste of time seeing that the 'agents' you talked to did not even know it was their bureau's responsibility.
The link to the BATFE's document stands as to what component of a cartridge can be legally exported without a license.

Yes it's not a problem, I have a nice email from the TSA stating so and stick a copy of it in every case full of kit I bring back with me

This implies that TSA makes the rules It is Worthless, they cannot grant an export license, without which you are effectively breaking Federal law.
Easy enough for anyone to make an 'official' TSA e-mail. Did you know TSA do not have standing as law officers?

Can a mate in the US, legally, post me some cartridge cases? I want to say "yes" as 'tis only brass, but I have no idea if there's hidden "import" rubbish I haven't thought of.

This is pertinent information for every one so please do not obfuscate the simple fact that the BATFE definition disallows ALL parts of a cartridge from export without license.

Now that the situation is known, one can make an informed decision - you just have to be aware that one's posted items may not arrive and be prepared to take that one on the nose.

Be careful people as there is a lot of misinformation around.

I do not advocate that anyone breaks Federal law just that you all are aware of the real situation.

It is best that the info from the BATFE is read and understood rather than gleaned from 'some bloke on the internet'.

Fin.

"Then we will have to disagree as to who makes the rules regarding firearms and export from the USA"

Again you misunderstand what I wrote, I agree that the rules are set by the US government and I am not disagreeing in any way that the bATFe are responsible for enforcing those rules, nor am I suggesting the TSA are. All I said was that having talked to two bATFe agents I was on both occasions referred to the TSA for a definitive answer as to what was allowed to be carried.

"This implies that TSA makes the rules It is Worthless, they cannot grant an export license, without which you are effectively breaking Federal law.
Easy enough for anyone to make an 'official' TSA e-mail. Did you know TSA do not have standing as law officers? "

Again all I can tell you is what I was told and the answer I got from the TSA when asking the same question, the email is genuine and I can forward a copy if the forum mods if they would like to see it, it's from The Acting Deputy General Manager for Mission Support, Office of Security Operations.

Again all I can tell you is what I was told and the answer I got from the TSA when asking the same question, the email is genuine and I can forward a copy if the forum mods if they would like to see it, it's from The Acting Deputy General Manager for Mission Support, Office of Security Operations.

It still means nothing if it is in conflict with American Federal law, showing the email to the mods, the Queen or God makes no difference. Genuine or not, this should be easy enough to understand.
You feel safe with your bit of paper, fine, but when they ask you to bend over and pull your kecks down you will find the only use for that paper is to wipe up after the exam....

Can you find anywhere in the export regulations that says 'you have a pass with an official email from 'The Acting Deputy General Manager for Mission Support, Office of Security Operations' which supersedes Federal export law'?
Did not think so. QED

As said before, do not obfuscate the issue and let people have the CORRECT information.
Technically - without license it's illegal, plain enough?

j0e_bl0ggs wrote: As said before, do not obfuscate the issue and let people have the CORRECT information.

Likewise, do you have a link to a booklet that outlines export from the US, as your link deals with importation into the US....? :roll:

i have dealt with kens brass in america on numerous occasions with no probs

greenshoots

Same for Reloading International however I have to confirm in writing with every order that I do not require and import licence and Mike has to apply for an export licence which takes a few days for every order.

When dealing in any way with the BATFE you must get every statement from them in writing signed by the person giving that information.
Nothing read or sent over the internet, even from their own website is always valid from hour to hour.
As a totaly unregulated government agency, run by hired off the streets employees, with unrestrained power to change, envoke and inforce laws without any approval of Congress or the Supreme court. What is legal or not is often changed on a daily basis completly by the whim and wish of who ever is incharge that day.