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Re: Buying cheap ammo and stripping it for its' components
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:34 pm
by saddler
dodgyrog wrote:saddler wrote:I forgot to mention before - was the "un-making" of ammunition ever made legal under the terms of the Firearms Act?
I know making it legal to do was proposed by the FCC at one point. (I have a copy of their report as a pdf)
To the best of my knowledge it is still technically illegal
Rubbish!!!
Where do you get these notions from?
You
have heard of the Firearms Consultative Committe I suppose?
Page 68 onwards is the relevant section
http://www.official-documents.gov.uk/do ... 4/0074.pdf
NOTE:
The FCC is of the opinion that public safety would be enhanced by removing the existing legal bar on ono-commercial "un-making" of ammunition, and we hope that, after considering the processes involved in this operation the HSE will formally confirm its intention to do so to the Home Office.
Oh, and as to
"these notions" - would ANYONE like to comment on the legality of an RFD selling home loaded ammunition without CIP approval to do so?
Direct experience in the case on one RFD selling "Radway Green" that had several instances of failure to fire, displayed mismatched primers, unsealed carton labels, etc.
Re: Buying cheap ammo and stripping it for its' components
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:07 pm
by ovenpaa
This document is dated 14th July 1992 so twenty years ago, did the HSE conform this with the Home Office?
Re: Buying cheap ammo and stripping it for its' components
Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 8:39 pm
by dodgyrog
I had a good study of the HO guidelines today - no mention at all of disassembly of ammo.
Re: Buying cheap ammo and stripping it for its' components
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:22 am
by Oddbod
I don't know what all the fuss is about corrosive primers, especially in bolt actions.
A proper cleaning followed by an oiled patch is ll that is needed.
I shot several hundred rounds of "corrosive" S&B 7.62 through my L1A1 last December & there is no rust anywhere when I checked this week, including the gas block & tube.
If you are really worried, then rinse out with warm soapy water, then dry, clean & lube as normal.
Re: Buying cheap ammo and stripping it for its' components
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 6:36 am
by Sandgroper
saddler wrote:I forgot to mention before - was the "un-making" of ammunition ever made legal under the terms of the Firearms Act?
I know making it legal to do was proposed by the FCC at one point. (I have a copy of their report as a pdf)
To the best of my knowledge it is still technically illegal
From BASC website, APCO document (my capitals,bold)
http://www.basc.org.uk/en/utilities/doc ... B3B43261E7
b) Making and unmaking ammunition (Manufacture)
The reloading or dismantling of ammunition is part of the act of manufacturing an explosive. This can only normally be done under HSE licence. Care is needed to accomplish the activity safely and those undertaking this need to ensure they are fully conversant with the technical aspects involved in making small arms ammunition. This is particularly the case in the unmaking of ammunition for any reason. The process does have its risks and accidents involving the initiation of the cartridge can occur.
MSER provides for a limited ‘manufacture’ of small arms ammunition. THOSE WHO RELOAD CAN MAKE OR UNMAKE AMMUNITION and those involved in re-enactment can make cartridges for use at heir events. The limit on these activities is that only a total of 2 kilograms of primers and propellant can be used for this at any one time. This includes any propellant removed from cartridges. This relates to the propellant and primers being used and not any completed ammunition or cartridge that is then moved away from the process area. Any requirement to make ammunition or cartridges above 2 kilograms, or any other type of ammunition for small arms not defined as such in MSER will require the granting of a HSE licence to manufacture.
Re: Buying cheap ammo and stripping it for its' components
Posted: Mon May 14, 2012 9:13 am
by Sim G
The practice of "unmaking" ammunition also raised it head during the VCR bill, but never made it into the act.