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Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:14 pm
by ovenpaa
DaveT wrote:Dave Wylde of Valkyrie rifles is building me a 6mm SLR on an XLR stock....will let you know how it goes.
I read about Dave's work with interest, he is building some cracking rifles with glowing reviews, his new Action seems to have been well received and his Duracoat work is bloody impressive as well!

Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:20 pm
by DaveT
ovenpaa wrote:
DaveT wrote:Dave Wylde of Valkyrie rifles is building me a 6mm SLR on an XLR stock....will let you know how it goes.
I read about Dave's work with interest, he is building some cracking rifles with glowing reviews, his new Action seems to have been well received and his Duracoat work is bloody impressive as well!
I have 6 rifles from Dave ranging from 338 Lap Mag through 308 Win and 260 Rem to 6mm.....all damned good accuracy-wise and great Duracoating.....his new action is easily on par if not better than Surgeon. Hugely recommended.

Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:21 pm
by ovenpaa
Michael Sproul wrote:K, here's what I'd build if I had any skills. You've obviously got to take into account my inexperience and also the fact I've said things just to make it different and add to the engineering challenge. I'll let you decide which bits go in which category....

A magazine fed straight pull rifle in a bullpup configuration in .308. Left hand cocking mechanism with right hand side ejection. Probs summit like a 24 inch barrel. As per the OP, something that can be configured for different shooters. I like your idea about using the AR type pistol grip. Something with a comfortable foregrip so off hand shooting isn't a chore. It would also be cool if an integral bipod could be configured so that it folds up out of the way so when it's stowed it doesn't hang down like a set of snagtastic balls haha!

Feel free to poke holes in my ideas, I'd be interested in hearing criticism in what I think would be the perfect rifle for me! (no sarcasm there by the way if it sounds like it!)
Michael, you have raised some good points. I like the idea of the integral bipod and have considered it myself in the past, it would need to be wide to get a good stable platform and easily adjusted for cant and height and I reckon it can be done quite elegantly as well.

Straight pull.... well the new Blazer straight pull is certainly good but having read ShootingSight's description of the Anschutz Biathlon straight pull/toggle type action makes me wonder if such a principle could be applied to a full bore rifle. I would however keep it as a right hand toggle. Out of interest why did you choose left hand cock and right hand eject?

Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:43 pm
by Michael Sproul
Basically I detest having to move my right hand hand from the trigger to reload, I feel it really hinders consistency and they won't let me have a semi auto so this is the best I could come up with for now!

Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:50 pm
by ovenpaa
Yebbut if you are shooting off hand and are right handed you do not really have a choice in this. It is the ZBROYAR Z-008

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EDIT - they say
ZBROYAR Z-008, Caliber.308Win, Operation: manually operated bolt action, Barrel: 650, 710 or 760 mm, Weight: 6-6.5 kg less accessories and optics, Length: varies, Feed Mechanism: 5 rounds detachable box magazine,The Z-008 line of custom precision rifles are manufactured in Ukraine by a small privately owned company, This company was founded in 2004 to manufacture rifles for long range target, varmint & hunting, as well as for tactical applications.
The heart of the Zbroyar rifle is the action, which is built around the sturdy, massive stainless steel receiver with very solid construction. Integral recoil lug is provided at the base of the receiver. The barrels are screwed into the receiver but the receiver to barrel interface is carefully designed to relieve the threads from the most of the stress, to ensure maximum accuracy. All Z-008 barrels are manufactured in-house from the rifled barrel blanks, supplied by Lothar Walther or Shilen. The bolt has six radial locking lugs, arranged into three pairs at the front of the bolt, and locks into the receiver. Standard AI (Accuracy International Ltd) magazines are used. Z-008 rifles are normally equipped with fully adjustable Timney triggers, but other types of Remington 700-compatible triggers can be used as well (i.e.Jewell triggers). Zbroyar Z-008 Tactical rifles are built using Bell& Carlson adjustable stocks, with integral aluminum bedding blocks and professional bedding. Z-008 Tactical Pro rifles feature proprietary stocks assembled with Magpul components. Normally, each rifle is equipped with steel Picatinny rail at the top of the receiver, which can be used to install any sighting equipment, according to the shooter's preferences.The Z-008 Tactical Pro rifles also feature octagonal tubular forend, made of aluminum alloy, which has multiple points to attach additional Picatinny rails. All Zbroyar Z-008 rifles are shipped from the factory with 0.5 MOA guarantee, but many can delivery accuracy of up to 0.15 MOA, providing appropriate ammunition and skilled shooter, comes with scope rings and bolt tool

Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:13 pm
by Dangermouse
I don't have a picture in mind, but something that used
a castle nut to attach any AR/M4 stock system would give shooters a lot of choice from off the shelf cheap stocks to the every which way models that cost a lot more.
Uses AICS magazines,
No need for a full cage over the barrel, a bolt on discipline specific front end is very attractive, as used by the new Dolphin system and the older McRees system.
AR style pistol grips / mounting system would also give shooters a lot of choice from the currently available wide selection.

If you managed to develop a system that was not action specific, ie had movable mounting bolts, you would strike the jack pot.

I have to say that the new system from Dolphin/mik hits so many of the positives at a good price, I don't think I would waste my time on designing my own even if I did have the skills and tools,

DM

Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 8:57 pm
by Chapuis
Ovenpaa you ask about modern straight pull centre fire rifles what about the Lynx http://www.alanrhone.com/121.html

Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:07 pm
by Griff
I like the picture. If you get the chance to see one, I don't have a picture, have a look at the rifle stock put together by Richard Fowke, Hants and NSRA GB shooter who redesigned his stock and made it look like Darth Vaders dildo.... pretty impressive!!

Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:14 pm
by Dangermouse
That Lynx Target rifle is a rifle that I would seriously look at, but the first price I see for it is "from £3900" so it would have to be unbelievably good. I wonder if the Euro crashes we could get one under £2000?

Absolutely lovely bit of kit,

DM

Re: XLR Rifle stocks

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:16 pm
by Ballistol
What about a riflestock that allows the use of standard M16 or M14 magazines, now that would get my vote. Although I own rifles that will accept the AICS magazines, I'd like the option of using military standard magazines.

Of course Armalon has done this type of conversion for while so it must be possible, and I also read recently that Mossberg have launched a rifle in .223 that uses the M16 magazine.