Full length sizing

[spud]

if heinekein did trimmers compared to the wilson it would be crapo

[kennyc]

buy a wilson trimmer and get the best trimmer in the world

he might want to put his toes in gently before plunging into the no cost spared end of reloading at that price he could buy a years worth of milsurp and forget reloading ! :P

[alexham]

You have not forgotten anything, Dougan. There is a lot of equipment on the market designed specially to push you over the budget :lol: whilst adding nothing to accuracy. Sales of such gear are promoted by equipment freaks, some of whom reside on this forum.

Have a close look at factory rounds. Are the case necks chamfered? No, they are not! So, why are you doing it?

Eventually, after perhaps 10 or 12 full power reloads cases will need trimming and they you have 2 choices! Throw away or trim. If you decide to trim, you may well find that after 2 or 3 further reloads you will start getting split necks or the heads will start to separate. The work on trimming will have been wasted, so you will probably be better off throwing away cases when they get to that stage and starting a new batch of once fired cases.

But, if you decide to buy a trimmer, all you need is a humble Redding. I attach a close up of the cutter blade, so that you can see that it is "V" shaped and can be adjusted to apply a chamfer during trimming. You don't need the chamfer, but if you must have it it may as well be on the inside.

Important thing is not to crimp and if you don't crimp the fact that the case mouths are not dead square will not matter.

Now, loas some ammunition and let us know how you get on.

Alex

[spud]

You have not forgotten anything, Dougan. There is a lot of equipment on the market designed specially to push you over the budget :lol: whilst adding nothing to accuracy. Sales of such gear are promoted by equipment freaks, some of whom reside on this forum.

Have a close look at factory rounds. Are the case necks chamfered? No, they are not! So, why are you doing it?

Eventually, after perhaps 10 or 12 full power reloads cases will need trimming and they you have 2 choices! Throw away or trim. If you decide to trim, you may well find that after 2 or 3 further reloads you will start getting split necks or the heads will start to separate. The work on trimming will have been wasted, so you will probably be better off throwing away cases when they get to that stage and starting a new batch of once fired cases.

But, if you decide to buy a trimmer, all you need is a humble Redding. I attach a close up of the cutter blade, so that you can see that it is "V" shaped and can be adjusted to apply a chamfer during trimming. You don't need the chamfer, but if you must have it it may as well be on the inside.

Important thing is not to crimp and if you don't crimp the fact that the case mouths are not dead square will not matter.

Now, loas some ammunition and let us know how you get on.

Alex

actually you dont need to spend a lot of money to get a wilson trimmer ive just bought two from a site for 3£36 each but they arnt new but they are like new

i think from memory the new redding trimmer is dearer than a new wilson and i know which id prefer

[DaveT]

You have not forgotten anything, Dougan. There is a lot of equipment on the market designed specially to push you over the budget :lol: whilst adding nothing to accuracy. Sales of such gear are promoted by equipment freaks, some of whom reside on this forum.

Have a close look at factory rounds. Are the case necks chamfered? No, they are not! So, why are you doing it?

Eventually, after perhaps 10 or 12 full power reloads cases will need trimming and they you have 2 choices! Throw away or trim. If you decide to trim, you may well find that after 2 or 3 further reloads you will start getting split necks or the heads will start to separate. The work on trimming will have been wasted, so you will probably be better off throwing away cases when they get to that stage and starting a new batch of once fired cases.

But, if you decide to buy a trimmer, all you need is a humble Redding. I attach a close up of the cutter blade, so that you can see that it is "V" shaped and can be adjusted to apply a chamfer during trimming. You don't need the chamfer, but if you must have it it may as well be on the inside.

Important thing is not to crimp and if you don't crimp the fact that the case mouths are not dead square will not matter.

Now, loas some ammunition and let us know how you get on.

Alex

Couldn't agree less with much of the above....... Good tools are a joy to use and (usually) give a better result...and not just in reloading. Naturally its down to how much you can afford as with all things.

As for dumping brass rather than trimming...... WHY?!!!! Buy decent brass and it will go many reloads / trims and end up cheaper in the long run.

[ovenpaa]

I must admit I find the cost of some reloading equipment prohibitively expensive so I will build my own where ever possible, you would be surprised at just what you can make with the minimum of materials and the very basic of tools if you put your mind to it.

[rox]

I must admit I find the cost of some reloading equipment prohibitively expensive so I will build my own where ever possible, you would be surprised at just what you can make with the minimum of materials and the very basic of tools if you put your mind to it.

...as if your tools (and skills) are basic!

xxx

[rox]

buy a wilson trimmer and get the best trimmer in the world

No solution is the 'best' for everyone. What's best depends on your criteria:

• Cost
• Throughput
• Ease of use
• Squareness of cut
• Simultaneous chamfering
• Lifetime of cutter
• Repeatability of trim length
• Referencing against case head or shoulder
• Versatility (multiple calibers) etc. etc.

A good discussion of different types and the pros and cons of each can be found here:

http://squibloads.wordpress.com/reloadi ... e-trimmer/

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[spud]

You have not forgotten anything, Dougan. There is a lot of equipment on the market designed specially to push you over the budget :lol: whilst adding nothing to accuracy. Sales of such gear are promoted by equipment freaks, some of whom reside on this forum.

Have a close look at factory rounds. Are the case necks chamfered? No, they are not! So, why are you doing it?

Eventually, after perhaps 10 or 12 full power reloads cases will need trimming and they you have 2 choices! Throw away or trim. If you decide to trim, you may well find that after 2 or 3 further reloads you will start getting split necks or the heads will start to separate. The work on trimming will have been wasted, so you will probably be better off throwing away cases when they get to that stage and starting a new batch of once fired cases.

But, if you decide to buy a trimmer, all you need is a humble Redding. I attach a close up of the cutter blade, so that you can see that it is "V" shaped and can be adjusted to apply a chamfer during trimming. You don't need the chamfer, but if you must have it it may as well be on the inside.

Important thing is not to crimp and if you don't crimp the fact that the case mouths are not dead square will not matter.

Now, loas some ammunition and let us know how you get on.

Alex

Couldn't agree less with much of the above....... Good tools are a joy to use and (usually) give a better result...and not just in reloading. Naturally its down to how much you can afford as with all things.

As for dumping brass rather than trimming...... WHY?!!!! Buy decent brass and it will go many reloads / trims and end up cheaper in the long run.

:goodjob: sign92

[alexham]

Couldn't agree less with much of the above....... Good tools are a joy to use and (usually) give a better result...and not just in reloading. Naturally its down to how much you can afford as with all things.

As for dumping brass rather than trimming...... WHY?!!!! Buy decent brass and it will go many reloads / trims and end up cheaper in the long run.

DaveT, I was not advocating buying cheap tools. Redding does not make cheap tools and, as Spud pointed out, the trimmer is more expensive than Wilson. When I said "humble" I meant basic - i.e. not powered by a drill etc.

I agree that good quality tools are a joy to use, but my point was that some tools are not essential and some totally unnecessary, especially for starting on a limited budget. I am in this sport to shoot. The use of tools is incidental and often a chore, but we are all different!

We have a member on this forum whose cases last only 4 reloads! Others may have unlimited supply of once fired cases, from friends that do not reload.