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Re: Heat Damaged Cases?
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:24 pm
by snayperskaya
WelshShooter wrote:Soviet propaganda on brass annealing techniques are not welcome in capitalist UK

Brass cases far to Imperialist Comrade......what is wrong with steel cases made from the recycled tanks of Facist aggressors???

Re: Heat Damaged Cases?
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:30 pm
by phaedra1106
The good news is that 240c (464f) isn't enough to actually anneal the brass.
The bad news however is that because the case body and head have been above 450f (232c) for some time they should be binned for safety's sake.
Re: Heat Damaged Cases?
Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:40 pm
by WelshShooter
snayperskaya wrote:WelshShooter wrote:Soviet propaganda on brass annealing techniques are not welcome in capitalist UK

Brass cases far to Imperialist Comrade......what is wrong with steel cases made from the recycled tanks of Facist aggressors???

I can almost hear Putin saying "Nyet, recycling? This is for sissy boys who like to wear tight fitting jeans."
Re: Heat Damaged Cases?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:19 am
by johnson3392
hitchphil wrote:Possibly Not.
You have stress relived the case bodies but not annealed them. Annealing i.e. the recrystalisation temperature for 70:30 cartridge brass starts at 450C & is best at nearer 650C, stress relieving starts at 250-350C. The hardness of the case will not have changed by much so the base tensile strength of the metal will have reduced but not by much. The crystallographic structure will not have changed.
The tarnishing is heat oxidation of the copper in the brass its superficial.
got a thermocouple? put it on a case & measure the actual temperature where the cases were? I bet it was lower than 240C (gas ovens tend to be lower esp if its a fan oven) but they tend to over heat first so the profile will be warming up to say 280 then cooling back to 220 for most of the duration of the 25 mins.
..........so my advice would be - make 10 cartridges to 2% below your normal load & test them. (if you get any signs of case body separation ditch them) if they eject OK use them but not with high end match rifle or 1200 yd loads.
Phil
HND Metallurgy, BSc (Hons) Materials Science & Tech :-)
Thanks Phil. To be honest, the cases had been used about 5 times previously and my loads are fairly heavy using 46gr of VN140 with a 200gr FMJ bullet. I think ditching them all makes sense. Good info - much appreciated.
Re: Heat Damaged Cases?
Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:28 pm
by snayperskaya
WelshShooter wrote:snayperskaya wrote:WelshShooter wrote:Soviet propaganda on brass annealing techniques are not welcome in capitalist UK

Brass cases far to Imperialist Comrade......what is wrong with steel cases made from the recycled tanks of Facist aggressors???

I can almost hear Putin saying "Nyet, recycling? This is for sissy boys who like to wear tight fitting jeans."
Recycling? Da Tovarisch......steel from Fascist Panzers make many Glorious T-34 of The Motherland, Tovarisch Putin most approving!.
Re: Heat Damaged Cases?
Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:05 pm
by Hrun
My first concern was for the Joint.. 240 degrees, what happened to cooking low and long..

Re: Heat Damaged Cases?
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:47 am
by johnson3392
In my wife's case, flash heat for 20 mins followed by normal temp. Shame to throw away tne cases - they smelt lovely.