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Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:45 pm
by phaedra1106
It could well be, that's about 6.7 thou"

I'd fit a bullet, measure the neck diameter, remove the bullet and re-measure, if it's the same try carefully loading the empty case with the expanded neck and see if it chambers.

What's the neck wall thickness on both old and new cases?

Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:03 pm
by wildrover77
The new brass is .17 mm thicker( on two sides) as that is how larger diameter the neck is on a loaded round.

Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:09 pm
by phaedra1106
Yes, the difference in total is .17mm, but what is the actual wall thickness of the neck?, I think they're usually about .012".

The spec for the case gives an OD of 9.11mm so 9.33 seems rather large, if you measure then chamber and re-measure an empty case is there a difference in the neck diameter, ie. is the chamber squashing it to fit but isn't able to do so with a bullet inserted into the neck?

Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 8:30 pm
by wildrover77
Started neck turning the cases to the correct dimension.

Bought a Lynn case trimmer to take .4 mm of case length. Now the problem apparently .33 pilots are out of stock in uk and the USA. Have order a .45 pilot and will have to get it machined to size.

Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2016 10:55 pm
by phaedra1106
Be very careful how far you turn down the necks, try and keep around .011" of wall thickness.

Did you measure an empty case neck O/D before and after chambering it to see if it was being compressed by the chamber?

Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 8:10 am
by ovenpaa
One of the problems with neck turning to below standard brass thickness is resizing and accordingly neck tension, reducing the neck thickness to 0.011" will almost certainly mean you will need sizing dies with separate bushings such as Redding, Forster or Wilson to get the beck tension you require.

Lapua brass is usually around 0.0145" to 0.015" at the neck so using the .338 as an example:

0.338 + 0.15 + 0.15 =0.368" so your neck bushing needs to be around 0.368" - 0.002" so 0.368" or maybe 0.367" depending in the tension you require and factory dies will be built along these lines. reduce the overall diameter to .360" and you need a .358" bushing or ten thou smaller.

I usually buy my bushings in sets of three when building this sort of thing so I can get the desired neck tension and I will resort to machining my own bushings in .0005" increments if things are still not where I want them to be.

Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 9:34 am
by WelshShooter
Ovenpaa wrote:0.338 + 0.15 + 0.15 =0.368" so your neck bushing needs to be around 0.368" - 0.002" so 0.368" or maybe 0.367" depending in the tension you require and factory dies will be built along these lines.
I don't want to nitpick, Ovenpaa but I just wanted to correct the statement to 0.366" to 0.367" for OP's sake.

Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2016 10:17 am
by ovenpaa
Well spotted, that should have read .366"/.365" - Not enough coffee!

Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:45 pm
by wildrover77
Problem solved.

Have neck turned the brass. With a bullet in place the neck diameter is now 9.1mm.

The thickness of the brass at the neck is about .3mm

The rounds now chamber perfectly.

They are still about .4mm to long but that will have to wait until i get a Lyman pilot that fits.

Re: Rounds won't chamber

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2016 3:49 pm
by phaedra1106
Good work :)