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I thinks they mention it a lot in the journal,I think you will find that its basic fundamental bias against shooters in this country......head the sportsmans advice and boycott the shooting events. This will stir the s***,and hopefully cause a critical mass review....................and one last point,we won't see any shooting events on the tv anyhow,the india games we took 30 odd gold and not one event was shown on tv,the bbc is bias beyond belief when it comes to shooting matters,culminating in that guy proffessor squires,who knows nothing about shooting in any form,and he's on the tv as an expert! Despite many emails and hand held letters the guy still won't engage me in conversation.....I challenge him now as I have done many times ,to a debate,let's see him squirm his way past me and not a reporter.........mini rant over!!!!!

Squires is Professor of criminology and public policy at Brighton, so I doubt he is particularly pro gun in any way. Personally I will not be attending the Olympics as my view is it is an utter waste of money and resource and the investment could have been better placed.

Yes there have been references in the NRA journal but I dont think we have heard the full story yet. Is the NSC still earmarked as a training venue for the Olympic shooting events?

I'm not privy to that info! It would be the most logical place to have it,in the lord roberts building with all that ceiling noise from the hockey being played upstairs!!!!

I have to take issue with remarks against the BBC, not because I am a big fan but because I believe in being fair.
I can remember during one of the games, it may have been the last Olympics or possibly the common wealth games, the BBC running a poll for viewers to vote on which sports they wished to see covered.
The details quickly spread around the shooting forums and people voted for shooting. The down side may have been that you had either had to have had the right technology to have then viewed the assigned article or have been in the right place in the right time to have caught it.

I also don't think it would be fair to isolate the BBC, all the Chanel's appear to have no interest in showing shooting sports.
The only exception that I can think of is the Horse and Country channel which I get with my SKY package. I have seen the same old, as in a couple of years out of date, clay pigeon competition aired a number of times. These programs appear to have been made by a small or company or armature maker. As it is so difficult to pick up the clay on camera, all you really see is the shooter and the scores displayed on screen.
I can remember a clay championship on TV when I was much younger, I seem to remember that format worked quite well.

At the end of the day, watching someone shoot is not all that interesting, although I will admit that the Nordic competitions that Ovenpaa will be familiar with can be when enough technology is used.

Can anyone actually list what the Olympic shooting competitions are?
I know we got excited about English clay pigeon team, last time round but they soon got dropped when they did not perform as expected.

DM

Squires is Professor of criminology and public policy at Brighton,

in which case running man you will need to think of a different tactic to get him talking. Such people do not respond to challenges per se., their makeup does not like confrontation of any kind. THEY know best and that is the end of the matter, unless you can debate on the same level as him, but be armed with a shed load of stats and bumph, that's what these people love.

Thank you all very much for the information, it seems even out here in the "colonies" we are affected by the same bias and ignorance.

Dangermouse wrote:I have to take issue with remarks against the BBC, not because I am a big fan but because I believe in being fair.
I can remember during one of the games, it may have been the last Olympics or possibly the common wealth games, the BBC running a poll for viewers to vote on which sports they wished to see covered.
The details quickly spread around the shooting forums and people voted for shooting. The down side may have been that you had either had to have had the right technology to have then viewed the assigned article or have been in the right place in the right time to have caught it.

I also don't think it would be fair to isolate the BBC, all the Chanel's appear to have no interest in showing shooting sports.
The only exception that I can think of is the Horse and Country channel which I get with my SKY package. I have seen the same old, as in a couple of years out of date, clay pigeon competition aired a number of times. These programs appear to have been made by a small or company or armature maker. As it is so difficult to pick up the clay on camera, all you really see is the shooter and the scores displayed on screen.
I can remember a clay championship on TV when I was much younger, I seem to remember that format worked quite well.

At the end of the day, watching someone shoot is not all that interesting, although I will admit that the Nordic competitions that Ovenpaa will be familiar with can be when enough technology is used.

Can anyone actually list what the Olympic shooting competitions are?
I know we got excited about English clay pigeon team, last time round but they soon got dropped when they did not perform as expected.

DM

if my comments on the bbc do not sit well with you then I just put that down to differing points of veiw,I will dig out my bias complaint to the bbc and stick it on yer for you. See if it goes anyway to sway you're opinion.

we took 30 odd gold and not one event was shown on TV,the BBC is bias beyond belief when it comes to shooting matters

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/commonw ... 032165.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_s ... fault.stml
On both these pages, which I found in under 5 Min's, there are several links to national bodies and how to get involved - it even reminded me of the Chris Evans visit to Bisley which was on prime time radio.

You have said that not one event was shown on TV. Unfortunately I can not find any proof to argue otherwise this long after the event, but I am surprised that the BBC even has a Shooting information page and that it is relatively up to date.

I have not the time to search the other networks, but I wonder if they are doing the same?

As I said, I only take issue with your original statement as I did not feel that you were being entirely fair,
However clearly you feel that you have a axe to grind and it probably runs deeper than this topic alone.

DM

On You tube, BBC 6.36 min report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uhtKEUOA68

Never had the time lto post that complaint ast nite. the non coverage of any shooting sports in india is from my club newsletter and editor,who is on the galleryrifle committee or board at the nra and you've probably read some of his articles in target shooter. As for axe to grind,well to answer that yes I do,it extends to my local bbc station and you have never seen more blatent bias,but .......................the complaint procedure led nowhere so I dropped it and accepted it was one system I could not fight. The other networks tone I don't find as bad as the bbc. As said this is my opinion and ile post my complaint on here for you tonight wen I dig it out!

The Indians went to great lengths to try to make the full-bore events in Delhi more appealing to TV viewers than ever before – of course shooting is hugely popular there; consider that the flag bearer who led the huge home team into the stadium at the opening ceremony was a shooter.

The range design included a fixed firing point for all distances, so that fixed remote-control cameras could be placed in front of the shooters, and all the 'action' would take place right in front of the spectators at all times, regardless of the distance in progress. It also included the electronic targets that should have fed live shot-by-shot leader-board results to the networks (as well as to a giant screen for spectators), combined with the type of viewing seen in other disciplines (split screen with close up of shooter taking shot and instant fall of shot on a target diagram). At the Delhi CSF event (the test event for the CG) I was asked by an Aussie TV producer whether a camera moving left-to-right on rails just in front of the firing point would be distracting! Thankfully my reply must have discouraged her from doing that.

Of course, the electronics turned the competition into a lottery. Moving the targets between distances contributed to the failures and unreliability, and required changing the course of fire of the whole competition. The Leaderboard was almost never accurate due to the number of problems. The giant screen never appeared. The live feed of target face/fall-of-shot was never made to work, and most of the targets near the middle of the range (where the cameras were) failed - leaders were supposed to be seeded to the middle of the range.

At the Melbourne games I remember seeing a schedule of UK TV shooting coverage posted on the NRA website. I think it was all on cable sports channels but I did manage to watch a 30 minute programme about the full-bore events online. I believe there was Australian TV coverage of full-bore in Delhi – in fact the commentator was the gold medal winner from the Melbourne games. I heard from my team-mates that they saw us on the coverage provided inside the village (which had channels live for every venue), but with no sound, no fall-of-shot and no results it was too boring even for other shooters to watch!

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