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Quarters,

With Chicago we have a very clear picture of where it does not matter if you believe in the right to carry or what laws the state has, as far as I know Chicagoans have a right to carry however trust you me if you lived there you would want to carry as well.

So basically gun control does not work in Chicago, as mentioned earlier the criminals have stopped listening and gone feral.
Look the numbers up, mainly black male committing the crime/murders.
Police officers are being gunned down and no one cares.

Chuck, it was an easy argument you presented there

Quarters wrote:Mmmm... I'll bow out of this one. My attitiude to gun laws and gun culture is different to others. To me guns are a hobby and that's all. I don't want guns to defend myself nor do I want others to have guns to defend themselves. Others disagree - I'm not saying I'm right and others are wrong.

There has been a lot lives saved in the USA by law abiding citizens using their firearms for protection ! You won't see it reported in the main stream media as it goes against they agenda ! If You google it you will find quite few reports ! Much of Europe self protection (in the home )is considered a good reason for owning a pistol . Over here it's a hobby etc

There's a reason they call it Chiraq these days.

We don't have this problem in the UK. We have different guns laws.

Classic.

No sir, we just do not have certain types of people in the same quanities as some US cities.!

Quarters wrote:
Mmmm... I'll bow out of this one. My attitiude to gun laws and gun culture is different to others. To me guns are a hobby and that's all. I don't want guns to defend myself nor do I want others to have guns to defend themselves. Others disagree - I'm not saying I'm right and others are wrong.

That's pretty darn selfish isn't it... Gimme a good reason why people should not be able to defend themselve..apart from the liberal mantra of it makes you a better person by (say) being raped and killed?

YOU would be a victim and would want others to be victims too because YOU would not want to defend you and yours? jeez. Do people REALLY think so little of themselves and their families, let alone those who may NEED some form of defensive tool? WOW

Sorry couldn't resist it.

Joe: There has been a lot lives saved in the USA by law abiding citizens using their firearms for protection ! You won't see it reported in the main stream media as it goes against they agenda ! If You google it you will find quite few reports ! Much of Europe self protection (in the home )is considered a good reason for owning a pistol . Over here it's a hobby etc

clapclap clapclap Glad someone gets it.

In the US it's a hobby too! Some countries allow handguns for self defence but as a "hobby", it doen't exist.

In case it's not clear to anyone, the more we distance ourselves from American style firearms ownership, the less ammunition there is for the anti-gun crowd to ban our sport.

This is the only issue. Guns for self defence in the UK is a discussion that will see us lose everything.

Rubbish. We used to have them...we just caved in to the wet panty brigade as we always do.

Anyway, that kind of debate is NOT for this thread. We are not debating UK defensive firearms ownership because it will neve rhappen,we allowed ourselves to be rendered defenceless so we have to live (or die) with that.

We give way too much attention to what others think, that's why we don't have handguns today! Tose against have already had their opinion given to them by the media and social messups like farsebook...and of course NON organisations set up by the government, like the GCN liars.

Here is just one example

http://rightwingnews.com/crime/3-thugs- ... ct-elders/

I love you wounder how many in the shooting community think he was bang out of order and should been charged !

AJSawyer wrote:In case it's not clear to anyone, the more we distance ourselves from American style firearms ownership, the less ammunition there is for the anti-gun crowd to ban our sport.

This is the only issue. Guns for self defence in the UK is a discussion that will see us lose everything.

Using a firearm in the uk for defending yourself against attackers in your home is not against the law ! ( criminal law act ) There has been a few cases of fac / SGC holders doing so and haven't been charged ! However it's not advisable as most likely you will end up jail or atleast lose your ticket in most case. Even using bass ball bat will get you in trouble

It's funny how we already have a ton of laws relating to abuse of firearms, just like the USA.

The only trouble is the media who spread the lies and fear and never miss a dirty trick when there's a crime in the USA.

If the same happend in south America or some African country (and it does in much greater quantity too) they wouldn't care!

All this hype about US gun crime is for the benefit of the liberals - they scare so easily.

Just been on TV that the POLICE were rsponsible for all those deaths at Hillsborough - does anyone want to ban the police especially when the cover up was at all levels and carried along by THE MEDIA!!!!! ?? A massive cover up by the Establishment at all levels..Anyway, that's off topic - sorry dromia.

Back on track.

Most people haven't a clue about US gun laws, just what they were told by gutter journalism and the lies by self interest groups.

To have any relevance in a European debate, what I'd find interesting to know is the number of truly "criminal" gun crimes commited by the US CCW permit holders (which is probably the equivalent of our FAC in terms of access restriction) versus the number of legitimate use of the CCW firearms, ie : how many criminal actions commited by true legit firearms vs how many life were saved/rape avoided etc...