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Sixshot6 wrote:

shugie wrote:Have they got it signed off by the Home Orifice yet?

And does anyone know the rough location for Lodock Gear?

To the first, possibly if they have a demo gun, the criteria to pass is to be not easily converted to semi or full, it passes that, it passes and I suspect most RFD's/importers worth their salt know this and will work to make sure it stays a manual opp.

Quite a few with specialist stock don't put their locations on, Caledonian Classic arms doesn't (then again, I always get the impression from the address that's a place you could get lost trying to find it, even with the wonders of modern technology ). I'd just call up if you wanted to talk face to to face.

One thing I wonder about them is they appear to have a standard AR type mag release, being a lefty does this make an ambi mag release possible to install?

It's has ambi mag release

joe wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:

shugie wrote:Have they got it signed off by the Home Orifice yet?

And does anyone know the rough location for Lodock Gear?

To the first, possibly if they have a demo gun, the criteria to pass is to be not easily converted to semi or full, it passes that, it passes and I suspect most RFD's/importers worth their salt know this and will work to make sure it stays a manual opp.

Quite a few with specialist stock don't put their locations on, Caledonian Classic arms doesn't (then again, I always get the impression from the address that's a place you could get lost trying to find it, even with the wonders of modern technology ). I'd just call up if you wanted to talk face to to face.

One thing I wonder about them is they appear to have a standard AR type mag release, being a lefty does this make an ambi mag release possible to install?

It's has ambi mag release

I did some background check and you are right, people in the states and Canada call them expensive but then buy an AR that they late spend nearly as much to get all that stuff (new furniture, maybe a new upper,etc). Sometimes it's better to get it right off the bat. I can understand two of the options for the L model (223 and 300 blk) and the M model having 243 and 308, but strangely the 7.62x39 model is not being considered? For alot of shooting done it's the uk it's ideal. Only reason I think they haven't is 7.62x39 AR mags are not as common here as the 223/308/6.5 grendel/other derived mags, the 7.62x39 ar mags that you see in the states now are even more curved than AK mags to get the ammo to feed reliably in an AR platform. Then again most will opt for 223 and maybe a few for 308 (a friend is going to be amazed that a 308 option is among them). The wait is on now.

Sixshot6 wrote:

shugie wrote:Have they got it signed off by the Home Orifice yet?

And does anyone know the rough location for Lodock Gear?

To the first, possibly if they have a demo gun, the criteria to pass is to be not easily converted to semi or full, it passes that, it passes and I suspect most RFD's/importers worth their salt know this and will work to make sure it stays a manual opp.

are you just guessing or have you talked to them? if they are sec5 dealers its not like they have to have it sec1 to show off

bradaz11 wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:

shugie wrote:Have they got it signed off by the Home Orifice yet?

And does anyone know the rough location for Lodock Gear?

To the first, possibly if they have a demo gun, the criteria to pass is to be not easily converted to semi or full, it passes that, it passes and I suspect most RFD's/importers worth their salt know this and will work to make sure it stays a manual opp.

are you just guessing or have you talked to them? if they are sec5 dealers its not like they have to have it sec1 to show off

Ok sorry, I'm guessing, I can't see any evidence of section 5 dealing, though some that do don't advertise it. I was just playing detective based on what I've seen over time. What can I say, I got excited . I'll try and ask them maybe during the week and see what they say. I do know that the XCR has more parts that are ali than plastic compared to the SCAR.

cant see the lever release being a big deal since there is already SGC 5.56 and vz trigger release being sold

thats cool, let us know what you find out.

bradaz11 wrote:thats cool, let us know what you find out.

Too late in the day, plus things to do sunday and Class on Monday, so will try for finding something out Monday Afternoon. Any specific you or anyone want me to ask, most of the info is up on that facebook post, which seems to be:

-Caliber's are 223,300 blk, 243 and 308
-All ambi controls
- The lever release system appears to be the bolt release system and by the short clip looks to work faster than the sgc lever release (something is done to help it retain a gas system but still require that manipulation after each shot)
- Likely price around £2875 for the 223/300 blk and possibly a bit more for the 243/308
- Test model is 243 for some reason, with the ammo it did 0.75 moa
- Due to the quick change barrel nature other cals are possible like 260 rem and any other derivatives of the 223/308.
- There is a 7.62x39 that seems to not be considered (probably end up competing with the MARS)

That just leaves a time scale for release and how far they are along with getting it. That hinges on them being willing to talk but we shall see.

Hell people here got excited when that Verney Carron thing was announced, why not something like this?

HO approval is the only thing worth knowing

bradaz11 wrote:HO approval is the only thing worth knowing

True, that is the longest part, Scott didn't unveil the mars publicly until he got his though, be interesting to see what I hear.

Like I said earlier though, does anyone notice how apart from the 9mm and 45 lever releases these are all gas piston designs? I'd have though due to being it's natural state Direct impingement would be easier to work the AR with, but maybe I'm wrong? I mean with the 223 model before the blowback being better for pistol cals comes up.

Sixshot6 wrote: - The lever release system appears to be the bolt release system and by the short clip looks to work faster than the sgc lever release (something is done to help it retain a gas system but still require that manipulation after each shot)

Is there another clip other than the one showing a single release of the bolt (shot close up from the right hand side)? Its just that clip makes it looks like it takes significant effort to release the bolt and I'd imagine would tire your trigger finger quite quickly. I don't follow how it would be faster than either the SGC or MARS guns; providing you have the timing (which I don't ) you can get a SGC lever gun to fire and reload almost instantly, there would be a definite pause with this (as shown on the FB clip) due to the movement of the trigger finger. A larger lever might help make it easier.

I like the base rifle, I'm glad there's another alternative (hopefully) coming to market and its infinitely better looking than the VZ58, but the way the action works doesn't excite me at all. Trigger release, for me, is the best way forward for these types of rifle. After that I'd prefer the release to be operated by the support hand so you can just leave the trigger hand to do the job its supposed to be doing. I suppose if you're shooting this rifle off a bipod you could operate the lever on the other side of the gun with your support hand but that wouldn't really be an option shooting it in any other position.

Pistol caliber release/self-ejecting rifles please manufacturers!!