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zanes wrote: Edit: May have mis-spoke here, DWS-UK have this:

As many customers will know, from April 8th 2016, the EU is imposing a new deactivation standard on all Member States including the UK. The new deactivation requirements are poorly thought out, difficult to understand, difficul to implement and in some cases, more severe than our present UK standards. We'd like to be professional in communicating our opinions on the EU standard, but we can't; it has been conceived by morons who have little technical knowledge and even less real understanding of firearms and how to effectively deactivate them.

There is a great deal of mis-information out there at present (particularly on social media) suggesting that the new standard requires everything to be welded solid. This is not the case for the majority of firearms with the important exception of light, medium and heavy machine guns which will now need to be welded up with no moving parts or dry fire action. Pistols and revolvers are not going to be welded solid, but will have to be 'captivated' meaning that they will not be able to be stripped down, but will still cock and dry fire. The other biggest change is that all magazines will have to welded in place. None of these changes are desirable, but the UK Government is adamant that the EU deactivation standard will be law and must be followed.

Importantly, what you own currently (and as of 8th April) does not need to be re-deactivated unless you sell or transfer it. However, from our perspective everything we have in stock on 8th April will have to be re-deactivated before we can offer it for sale.

This suggests to me that the bottom will fall out of the pre-95 market in terms of resale value, but it would not mean that those with pre-95 collections would need to submit for re-proof.

Chuck wrote:25: Ypu're asking politicians to THINK? Oh come on - you know much better.

Fact: NO new legislation, however "temporay" is ever repealed.

1066 wrote:When the Brocock airguns, using the pre-charged air cartridges were, practically overnight, deemed firearms, there was no record of how many were in circulation or who bought them.

A special FAC was issued to those who declared them but it was so restrictive it made the guns using the system almost worthless. The guns became S5, they couldn't be traded, or sold or transferred to another FAC holder. My brother died holding a nice Brocock Winchester rifle and a Colt revolver. I was unable to get these transferred onto my FAC but no problem with an Enfield 7.62.

Anyone caught holding one without certification faces the whole illegal firearm/minimum sentence routine.

If the government tries the same trick with existing de-acts I think they will be almost worthless.

Chuck wrote:25: Ypu're asking politicians to THINK? Oh come on - you know much better.

Fact: NO new legislation, however "temoray" is ever repealed.

25Pdr wrote: What I'm getting at Chuck is...There will be dealers all over the EU holding stocks of S5 stuff with the intention of de acting them and selling them on for stupid prices, now their stock is worthless, with respect to most dealers, surely there will be some who will just sell them off ticket and fully functional.