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It's Russian surplus.so if I pour water down and then spray windex down and leave to sit for a while.after that then patch clean with c2r I should be OK ?

nearly there wrote:It's Russian surplus.so if I pour water down and then spray windex down and leave to sit for a while.after that then patch clean with c2r I should be OK ?

That will be fine, everyone has their own way of doing things and thats as good as anything.If it's 54r in a Mosin then it's worth remembering that chances are they haven't t been cleaned with the same degree of care over the years in their previous role but still shoot ok (some very well).If it's 7.62x39 in an AK or Vz you've got the added advantage of a hard chromed bore which is designed to help resist corrosion but the same procedure will do the trick.Either way do it as soon as you can after shooting, don't be tempted to leave it for days.

Edit......The Soviets used a Lye solution for removing corrosive residue, it is an alkali and was actually corrosive itself if left in the bore too long.The Mosin oil bottle typically had two chambers marked with a Cyrillic letter, letter that looks like an English H is the Russian letter N and stands for "neft" which means "oil". The letter that looks somewhat like an english W is pronounced "shch" (as in fresh) and stands for the Russian word "shchalok" which means "alkaline solution".

Thanks snayperskaya

nearly there wrote:Thanks snayperskaya

No problem Tovarisch .......We need pics of the rifle!.

When I buy a surplus rifle regardless of where it came from I always give it a good clean out first and then I do this. http://www.zoneballistic.com/colinsball ... eaner.html You'll be amazed at the amount of crud and copper that comes out. After doing this I then run a few patches of boiling water through the barrel and then run dry patches through it to dry it out, the barrel looks really good afterwards.

channel12 wrote:Interestingly nobody has questioned what or who's surplus ammunition. I will assume you meant military surplus (milsurp) and the correct answer depends on whether the source is ex-Russian or Warsaw Pact or ex Nato.

Nato standard ammunition uses non corrosive primers so it can be treated like normal commercial ammunition, look for the Nato symbol, a cross within a circle on the case head.

Russian ammunition uses corrosive primers and the primer fouling is water soluble. The Russians hard chrome the barrel bore to counter the corrosive effects of the primers knowing that in the field washing out the barrel wasn't always possible.

Nearly there is talking about the Mosin M44 that he acquired recently ... hence Soviet surplus ammo which is corrosive.

Mezzer

I can't seem to find windex that contains ammonia.is there a suitable substitute

I never use milsurps ammo in any of my old Girls I value them far to much. I all ways use my own reloads. No danger of corrosion and its so easy to do why wouldn't you. The home loaded ammunition is far superior to the military stuff its a no brainer.

I simply won't have the time to homeload and to be fair am not to sure how to go about home loading for the 54r.

Alpha1 wrote:I never use milsurps ammo in any of my old Girls I value them far to much. I all ways use my own reloads. No danger of corrosion and its so easy to do why wouldn't you. The home loaded ammunition is far superior to the military stuff its a no brainer.

I value my Dragunov above most things and shoot nothing but milsurp through it......as long as you clean them properly the corrosive stuff isn't an issue.