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Sub moa rifles are not a modern phenomena.

In the 19th century Harry M Pope amongst others were quiet capable of building sub moa rifles, indeed Pope himself shot 10 shot groups at 200 yards measuring just over half an inch centre to centre, that was with a muzzle loading black powder rifle.

My son has been shooting rifles for 5 years now his tikka the t3 in 223 my rifles howa 1500 in 308, SMLE made 1917, cz 17 hmr. Other people's rifles some of them target rifles all a 200 yards.
In that time he has never had sub moa or anywhere near that, that has never stopped him having a great day out at the range.
He is registered blind but the bottom line is just be glad that you can go out and do your particular discipline and enjoy yourself

First and foremost, sub MOA groups have never been high on the agenda for any rifle I own, owning a piece of history has always been my prime objective.

I have had a fascination for 20th C military history and the firearms that were used, for more years than I care to remember and the rifles I own and shoot reflect that.

Basically, it needs to have a lot of wood and a bayonet lug to get me interested!

There is a lot of feel good factor in bringing an old war horse back to life and in some cases rescuing it from a fate worse than death (de-activation).

A case in point was when I was offered a 1917 vintage M91 Carcano (see photo) that was due to suffer the ultimate fate, but ended up in my collection and still sends rounds down range.

My biggest frustration is, that none of them can talk!

For instance, I have a 1942 Lithgow .303 that was damaged then repaired in 1944, where and why?

A 1942 vintage No.4 Mk1 Enfield

A 1942 vintage Type 99 Arisaka

A 1944 PU sniper

I also have a 1916 Gew 98 that is totally all matching and original, with markings on the sling reading `Bauer 1917 and Munchen 1918`

Just a few of examples of my links to momentous periods in our history, am I bothered if they don't shoot sub MOA?

NAH!

ukrifleman.

SimG's Mini 14
SimG's Browning A-Bolt Tactical

The only rifles I have that will shoot sub moa are the rifles I use for hunting and they are modern made rifles. With the exception of one of them, none of the remainder of my SOWR will shoot sub moa and I don't and never have expected them to. I shoot them for the fun and joy of it, nothing more.

Realistically none of mine Dave.

The AR and the Kongsberg do about a 1MOA (Mag rested or off a bipod with the M67 that oddly shoots better with a sling anyway).

And the No4....shoots like a No4.

I shot the AR mag rested at 300/600 in a club F Class comp a few months ago. The brake was tolerated/laughed at but I did not come last

I think one has to choose the rifle based on the target he/she is engaging. Is it deer at 100 yards in a forest. Or deer at 400 yards on the hill. Is it McQueen where you need to hit the tiny bull at least 50% of the time to be even in with a chance of a win. Or is it a fig 11 with a top scoring centre several moa in size ? Or are you plinking at tin cans or steel plates etc

breacher wrote:I think one has to choose the rifle based on the target he/she is engaging. Is it deer at 100 yards in a forest. Or deer at 400 yards on the hill. Is it McQueen where you need to hit the tiny bull at least 50% of the time to be even in with a chance of a win. Or is it a fig 11 with a top scoring centre several moa in size ? Or are you plinking at tin cans or steel plates etc

Ferzakilly Bri......orses for courses. Don't shoot anything that needs surveying and laying when all you need is a pocket full of ammo and legs.

Well done for the weekend BTW......PO ponce clapclap

I shot the AR mag rested at 300/600 in a club F Class comp a few months ago. The brake was tolerated/laughed at but I did not come last

Maggot, just out of interest what brake do you have on your AR?

Rab wrote:

I shot the AR mag rested at 300/600 in a club F Class comp a few months ago. The brake was tolerated/laughed at but I did not come last

Maggot, just out of interest what brake do you have on your AR?

Mintex...... Stops it getting nicked or rolling off a sloping firing point.......

Sorry.....a Bradley Spangly doofer mate.

Very good I have to say although I find myself a bit err....punch drunk after a hundred rounds or so but thats just brakes, the lot comes backwards and the sinuses cop it.

I used to laugh about people using brakes on anything other than wheeled vehicles and .50s but having used one in multipositional (most of my attempts look more like roadkill than anything you should be seeing on any range...avoid or die laughing) I have so say they do the job....I think.