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Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:00 am
by Gaz
Being bored at work, I looked up pictures of the type of rifles stolen and chucked them up here:
https://ukshootingnews.wordpress.com/20 ... -pictures/
Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:17 pm
by toffe wrapper
1 Report says wall had metal bars in it.
Construction should have been capable of delaying attackers long enough for police / key holders response from alarm monitoring company.
Alarm should have been on red care with gsm back up. With the availability of battery powered tools like angle grinders the odd metal bar will stop nothing.
A good wall construction for a gun room is. Blocks (high density concrete ??nm) laid on side each course has bar drilled and grouted in to course below. Then an inner wall 2 inches or more from the outer with steel mesh between the 2 walls this gap is then filled as you go up with concrete fibre reinforced or micro rebar are good for this. It gives you about a 14 inch thick wall. You can still get through it with the right kit but it takes a long time.
Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:24 pm
by Chuck
........or just instal a Fort Knox????????
I doubt there's any connection here ???????????:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/597516 ... yal-family
or here
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/597495 ... lik-bellan
OK back on topic now.
Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:25 pm
by joe
not all gun criminals use guns just to do hold ups so saying that the .22 rifles will be simply dumped is may not happen ! seems alot of effort to get hold a few airguns which have no real use for armed criminals (unless you taking about chav off the estate shooting at cats and at other chavs) i'm sure they could sell some of those .22 rifles, there is always an underground collector, a criminal might find some use of it, eg, a contract killer might them usefully for shooting their victim from a roof / derlict room across the street?
dont forget the black market is awash handguns and even full auto stuff if you got the money !
this proves yet again that central storage proposed by gun control network and acpo is very dangerous !
Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:35 pm
by bradaz11
the running man wrote:
Years ago all of us at a clay shoot I used to attend regularly went for a trip to Bisley clay lay out.......during a pint in the pub the subject turned to illegal firearms and this guy said and I quote "well we all have guns in our cabinets not on our tickets" to which after everyone had recovered said no we do not! I couldn't believe my ears! We never seen him again after that!
I've heard something similar at a cowboy shoot, guy was talking about some gun that would fall under sec5 that he'd bought, so i asked where he kept it, expecting him to say NI or friends abroad etc. his reply was under the bed with the other stuff i shouldn't have but we all do. I didn't know if he was joking or not, so smiled politely and moved the conversation on, but it does worry me that he wasn't joking.
Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:31 pm
by Hunter87
Daryll wrote:This is the list my club has just circulated to all members...
Rimfire Rifles
Make Model Serial No. User Comments
Anschutz 1403 1038368 L&D With dioptre sights
Anschutz 1407 176961x L&D With dioptre sights
Anschutz 1407 87842 L&D With scope
BSA 12 R13215 L&D With dioptre sights
BSA ISU FG0260 L&D With dioptre sights
BSA ISU FH0346 L&D Left Handed - with dioptre sights
BSA Mk 11 Lightweight FC1545X L&D With dioptre sights
BSA Mk 111 UF3361 L&D With scope in rack
BSA Mk 11 UF7974X L&D With dioptre sights
BSA Mk 11 UE6595X L&D With dioptre sights
BSA Mk 111 UF3344 L&D With scope in large case
BSA Mk 111 UF1354 L&D In small brown case
Anschutz 1413 139942 H Wells In back case in safe with dioptre sights
Anschutz 2007 3105064 R Moss In black Anschutz case with Gehmann adjustable front sight and rearsight iris 551
Aschutz 1807 235479 K M Chambers In back case in safe with dioptre sights
BSA Mk 111 UF2115 K Hardy In rack -- with dioptre sights
Anschutz 1807 181313X I Smith In back case in safe with dioptre sights
Walther KKK 13956 D Headley In back case in safe with dioptre sights
Airguns
Air Arms Alfa Pro 4471201205 L&D In black plastic case
FWB Model 80 Pistol 206646 L&D In strongroom in black case
FWB Model P34 61512 L&D Ex D Killick - In Aluminium case in strongroom
Steyr LP1 717798 C Brown In strongroom in black briefcase
Steyr LP10 733774 L&D In strongroom in black case
Walther LP 300 11053 N Brittan In strongroom in black case
Steyr LP10 ??????? J D Fudge In strongroom in brown case
Air Arms S400 SuperLite 103505 I Smith In strongroom - in black case
Air Arms Model 400 MPR 068420 L Martin In strongroom - in black case
Air Arms EV2 MK3 47869 L&D In Large black case Iin strongroom
Air Arms TX200 95631 L&D In Walther case Iin strongroom
Walther LG300XT 24902 L&D In rack in strongroom
BSA Airsporter S ?????? Ralph for sale In rack in strongroom - 0.22
Bloody hell that's ALOT of guns to be in the wrong hands
Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:39 pm
by Chuck
That's nowt to what we've been giving to REALLY bad people in other places..
Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:45 pm
by zanes
joe wrote:not all gun criminals use guns just to do hold ups so saying that the .22 rifles will be simply dumped is may not happen ! seems alot of effort to get hold a few airguns which have no real use for armed criminals (unless you taking about chav off the estate shooting at cats and at other chavs) i'm sure they could sell some of those .22 rifles, there is always an underground collector, a criminal might find some use of it, eg, a contract killer might them usefully for shooting their victim from a roof / derlict room across the street?
Nah, I still say the airguns will be punted off down the local carboot/gumtree/neighbourhood fence at 50 quid a punt and the .22LR rifles dumped ASAP. A few hundred quid is a good rate of return for a few moments "work". No real publicity about the serial numbers/descriptions of guns nicked (and as we live in a criminal society even if there was a fair proportion of people wouldn't give a toss about handling stolen goods if they got "a bahgin") and, unless any of them come into an RFD that's aware of the stolen airguns no real likelihood of ever tracing the airguns.
I still think (not least due to the fact that the ammo safes weren't touched, and they probably weren't inpenetrable with a few tools) that this was all about a quick buck rather than someone looking to become a "black market armourer". If you were aiming to do that wouldn't you have left the airguns as they're easy enough to acquire legally and if you have to dispose of them it's just another potential trace back to you?
At 4am or whatever (with an alarm going off?) I doubt the perpatrators were interested in hanging around and methodically checking that they were only getting what they wanted. More like chuck everything in the van, get them "home" and then sort at your leisure.
If "you" were seriously interested in nicking guns for "real" criminal purposes there are far "better" targets to hit than a smallbore club.
dont forget the black market is awash handguns and even full auto stuff if you got the money !
Yep. Makes the theft of a few single shot .22RF rifles even less attractive for those "real" criminal purposes don't you think?
this proves yet again that central storage proposed by gun control network and acpo is very dangerous !
Absolutely.
Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:56 pm
by kennyc
zanes wrote:joe wrote:not all gun criminals use guns just to do hold ups so saying that the .22 rifles will be simply dumped is may not happen ! seems alot of effort to get hold a few airguns which have no real use for armed criminals (unless you taking about chav off the estate shooting at cats and at other chavs) i'm sure they could sell some of those .22 rifles, there is always an underground collector, a criminal might find some use of it, eg, a contract killer might them usefully for shooting their victim from a roof / derlict room across the street?
Nah, I still say the airguns will be punted off down the local carboot/gumtree/neighbourhood fence at 50 quid a punt and the .22LR rifles dumped ASAP. A few hundred quid is a good rate of return for a few moments "work". No real publicity about the serial numbers/descriptions of guns nicked (and as we live in a criminal society even if there was a fair proportion of people wouldn't give a toss about handling stolen goods if they got "a bahgin") and, unless any of them come into an RFD that's aware of the stolen airguns no real likelihood of ever tracing the airguns.
I still think (not least due to the fact that the ammo safes weren't touched, and they probably weren't inpenetrable with a few tools) that this was all about a quick buck rather than someone looking to become a "black market armourer". If you were aiming to do that wouldn't you have left the airguns as they're easy enough to acquire legally and if you have to dispose of them it's just another potential trace back to you?
At 4am or whatever (with an alarm going off?) I doubt the perpatrators were interested in hanging around and methodically checking that they were only getting what they wanted. More like chuck everything in the van, get them "home" and then sort at your leisure.
If "you" were seriously interested in nicking guns for "real" criminal purposes there are far "better" targets to hit than a smallbore club.
dont forget the black market is awash handguns and even full auto stuff if you got the money !
Yep. Makes the theft of a few single shot .22RF rifles even less attractive for those "real" criminal purposes don't you think?
this proves yet again that central storage proposed by gun control network and acpo is very dangerous !
Absolutely.
+1 look at the cost of PCP's and look at the cost of rimfires, the rimfires are of little use except for target use or going after bunnies/deer somewhere people are deaf or a long way away! very difficult to shift on. the PCP's and other air rifles can be quietly knocked out at boot sales through gumtree and local ads even, for quite decent money, if it was a criminal gang on the lookout for firearms to use in crime then I would expect a bundle of shotguns would be a far more viable haul.
Re: Please be Aware - - Stolen Guns
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:08 pm
by joe
good points ! total scum bags though, a gun shop in caulsdon surrey was ram raided a few years back