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Not a interruption between shots, an interruption between pulling the trigger and second round chambering, if you delay it any later it's self-loading

Demonic69 wrote:Not a interruption between shots, an interruption between pulling the trigger and second round chambering, if you delay it any later it's self-loading

That's what I was looking for. Thus the MARS and the SGC lever release fit the bill. Hopefully in a bit I can reveal more on the other thing I mentioned.

We'd prefer to see the effort going into technical work arounds being expended instead on getting the politicians to realise the ban can safely be overturned...

meles meles wrote:We'd prefer to see the effort going into technical work arounds being expended instead on getting the politicians to realise the ban can safely be overturned...

Right we aint got the numbers to turf the fools out or convince them to repeal the nonsense. This is what can be done in the mean time.

Sim G wrote:No, I think not. It would boil down to the definition of "self loading", which off the top of my head goes along the lines of, "each press of the trigger, fires, ejects case, loads fresh round and iweapon is prepared for firing by subsequent presses of the trigger". I'm sure that's how the SGC and MARS have been classed as s1, because the cycle as defined, is interrupted.

so that says 'prepared for firing' what if you had something like a 1911 pistol action. where the slide coming back cocks the hammer. rather than having an interrupt on the loading sequence, could you drop the hammer's pivot point lower down, and trim the bottom edge of the bolt under the bolt back at an angle.

this way as the slide comes back, it still loads a new round, but the hammer doesn't cock. so it isn't ready to be fired. you then manually have to cock it before you can fire again. you could even remove the halfcock sear...

does that sound feasible?

bradaz11 wrote:

Sim G wrote:No, I think not. It would boil down to the definition of "self loading", which off the top of my head goes along the lines of, "each press of the trigger, fires, ejects case, loads fresh round and iweapon is prepared for firing by subsequent presses of the trigger". I'm sure that's how the SGC and MARS have been classed as s1, because the cycle as defined, is interrupted.

so that says 'prepared for firing' what if you had something like a 1911 pistol action. where the slide coming back cocks the hammer. rather than having an interrupt on the loading sequence, could you drop the hammer's pivot point lower down, and trim the bottom edge of the bolt under the bolt back at an angle.

this way as the slide comes back, it still loads a new round, but the hammer doesn't cock. so it isn't ready to be fired. you then manually have to cock it before you can fire again. you could even remove the halfcock sear...

does that sound feasible?

It sounds interesting Brad, do you have a drawing to show this at all? I just think that version of the M9 that had to be cocked back each time to make it quieter with a moderator that was used by some US Special forces (and appear in Metal gear solid 2 as Snake's Dart gun) I was thinking of you last while speed dating, they had trooper ale on sale.

There might be an unveiling next week too.

It still self loads though....

Sixshot6 wrote:
It sounds interesting Brad, do you have a drawing to show this at all? I just think that version of the M9 that had to be cocked back each time to make it quieter with a moderator that was used by some US Special forces (and appear in Metal gear solid 2 as Snake's Dart gun) I was thinking of you last while speed dating, they had trooper ale on sale.

There might be an unveiling next week too.

I'm not sure i like you thinking of me while speed dating

no, why would i have a drawing?

the m9, didn't it need manual cocking due to the silencer? whether the weight stopped the action or exhaust gasses didn't cycle it.

safetyfirst wrote:It still self loads though....

yes, but it doesn't leave it ready to fire. Are self loading rifles banned or are semi automatic rifles banned?

bradaz11 wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:
It sounds interesting Brad, do you have a drawing to show this at all? I just think that version of the M9 that had to be cocked back each time to make it quieter with a moderator that was used by some US Special forces (and appear in Metal gear solid 2 as Snake's Dart gun) I was thinking of you last while speed dating, they had trooper ale on sale.

There might be an unveiling next week too.

I'm not sure i like you thinking of me while speed dating

no, why would i have a drawing?

the m9, didn't it need manual cocking due to the silencer? whether the weight stopped the action or exhaust gasses didn't cycle it.

safetyfirst wrote:It still self loads though....

yes, but it doesn't leave it ready to fire. Are self loading rifles banned or are semi automatic rifles banned?

I only thought of you when I saw the beer and yeah the semi auto function in that M9 was disabled, seem to recall the slide only lasts 200 rounds before cracking. During the Vietnam War there was a smith and wesson 39 that did the same thing.

http://www.guns.com/2013/02/04/mk-22-hush-puppy-pistol/

It was a slide stop in both cases to reduce noise and the ammo used was a heavier subsonic load.

I believe both self-loading and semi-auto center fires are banned on language in the law. I'll tell you more about my thing when I know more about. I've been talking months to my guy so I'll be posting here first when I find stuff out.

bradaz11 wrote:

Sixshot6 wrote:
It sounds interesting Brad, do you have a drawing to show this at all? I just think that version of the M9 that had to be cocked back each time to make it quieter with a moderator that was used by some US Special forces (and appear in Metal gear solid 2 as Snake's Dart gun) I was thinking of you last while speed dating, they had trooper ale on sale.

There might be an unveiling next week too.

I'm not sure i like you thinking of me while speed dating

no, why would i have a drawing?

the m9, didn't it need manual cocking due to the silencer? whether the weight stopped the action or exhaust gasses didn't cycle it.

safetyfirst wrote:It still self loads though....

yes, but it doesn't leave it ready to fire. Are self loading rifles banned or are semi automatic rifles banned?

Self-loading. The Firearms Act 1988 S2(ab)

(1)Section 5 of the M1Firearms Act 1968 (in this Act referred to as “the principal Act”) shall have effect with the following amendments the purpose of which is to extend the class of prohibited weapons and ammunition, that is to say weapons and ammunition the possession, purchase, acquisition, manufacture, sale or transfer of which requires the authority of the Secretary of State.

(ab)any self-loading or pump-action rifle other than one which is chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges;

I'm not sure the terminology 'semi-automatic' is used in the firearms legislation relating to rifles.

Wasn't it the H&K USP SOCOM Mk23 in Metal Gear Solid? I thought it had a slide lock that stopped the gun cycling and also prevented it ejecting the spent case?