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Re: Dirty 9s
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:44 pm
by zanes
Sim G wrote:I've always found Vectan powders to be dirty. When shooting 9mm, I favoured fast powders such as Bullseye and especially Red Dot in 9mm. That quick, initial pressure spike just seemed to work slides better.
And, are you over oiling the rails? Too much oil, too dirty a powder, it's going to sludge up. Run it dry and see what it does. And, when did you last change the recoil spring....?
My word, if Bullseye is a cleaner option Vectan must be filthy! From what I've seen of bullseye in .44 Mag anyway.
But, other than being a bit dirty I am rather fond of bullseye. Must pick up another tub if I ever see any more.
Re: Dirty 9s
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:56 pm
by Sim G
Lee B wrote:Thanks for the comments Sim, the main problems occurred recently when I dropped the powder charge a bit for a lighter bullet, I've gone back to the 5.1 grain charge and I'll see how they go tomorrow.
It's difficult getting powder here, dunno why, and choice is limited to whatever the Armeria has in stock, I'll try some different places, if the higher powder charge doesn't cure things I'll look at the recoil spring.
I do put a bit of oil on the rails, might go back to grease!
Lighter bullet would have required more powder. What did your load data say?
Re: Dirty 9s
Posted: Mon May 11, 2015 12:58 pm
by Sim G
zanes wrote:
My word, if Bullseye is a cleaner option Vectan must be filthy! From what I've seen of bullseye in .44 Mag anyway.
But, other than being a bit dirty I am rather fond of bullseye. Must pick up another tub if I ever see any more.
Fast powders in big cases will always leave them minging...
Re: Dirty 9s
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:05 am
by Lee B
My load data is a bit ambiguous TBH consisting mainly of scribbled notes on odd bits of paper copied from tinternet. And yesterday I bought some new powder, never heard of it before, called Maxam CSB1M
So it's back to the drawing board :(
That nice Señor Candela at Armeria Candela also fitted a new recoil spring and adjusted my trigger pull to 1360 grams which is apparently what it should be, so we shall see how it goes :)
Re: Dirty 9s
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:11 am
by Sim G
Was that the only powder available to you?
Re: Dirty 9s
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:15 am
by Sim G
There's a little data here;
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_42/42790 ... owder.html
But it's what someone else has generated and not the manufacturer.
You need to invest in some data manuals....
Re: Dirty 9s
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:31 am
by Lee B
Sim G wrote:Was that the only powder available to you?
Sadly yes, as usual, a choice of 1 :(
As to data manuals they are slightly rarer than hens teeth in this part of the world, I'll maybe have a look next time I visit the UK- won't be this week though.
Re: Dirty 9s
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:09 am
by Chapuis
Lee B wrote:Sim G wrote:Was that the only powder available to you?
Sadly yes, as usual, a choice of 1 :(
As to data manuals they are slightly rarer than hens teeth in this part of the world, I'll maybe have a look next time I visit the UK- won't be this week though.
Try the internet especially Amazon for manuals.
Noel Sport (Vectan) do a very good one though it is a bit rare and only covers own brand powders.
P.S. from what I have just read online Mazam CSB1 is a shotgun powder also made by Nobel Sport.
Re: Dirty 9s
Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:44 am
by Lee B
WRT manuals, biggest problem is delivery, I've a mate in the UK though who is moving over here in July and I'm going to ask him to put a box of stuff on his moving van :)
The CSB1M container has a bit of reloading data on the front label, it lists shotgun and pistol calibres suggesting 3.7/4.1 gr for a 125gr bullet so that sounds about right.
On the back of the container though it says made by
Maxam Outdoors SA, Madrid. No mention of Nobel.