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In answer to the question of who does the testing etc.
A unit, whether that be 22 SAS or the 22nd mess tin repair unit decides, we really need a weapon to fill this role.

It goes up the chain and someone agrees, yes the 22nd mess tin repair unit has need of a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. Right they want this one made by plasma rifles uk.

They get one in, along with several others from uk plasma rifles, plasma GB and of course, plasma USA inc.
They get trialled by the unit in question, defence scientific test labs, the Infantry trials and development unit will have input, as will the projects team for plasma rifles at Abbey wood.
They'll go all over the world, hot, cold, wet and dry testing to see which one is the best overall package, including training, maintenance, repair and add ons. A whole life cost will be looked at and then the bean counters will say. Here you go, it's in the budget.

In all honesty, things can and do happen a bit quicker in the murky, black tape world. But generally, everything is decided at a way higher level.

And they aren't above just saying to companies, here, give us a go of xxxxx and we'll see if we like it.

The reason I was asking is because it was stated in another thread that the SAS have no influence on the firearms their soldiers are issued with. It got me thinking who tests and evaluates and approves small arms for the army, and do the SAS test small arms separately from the regular army. PS If some have nothing useful to say or no knowledge on the subject probably best saying nothing. :)

Lord give me strength - we'll be opening an airsofting section at this rate.

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DW58 wrote:Lord give me strength - we'll be opening an airsofting section at this rate.

Airsoft.....that's everything below 7.62x51 isnt it ???

Not quite the same but..

I remember watching a fly on the wall documentary on an American SWAT team. One story line followed a Sargent as he tried out for the team, did his training and then joined the team.
The camera crew followed him through the stores and in particular the armoury as he got issued his personal weapon.
Pistol, M4, 50 cal Barrett..
I nearly spat my tea out at the 50 cal. I realised immediately that it was a wind up and it was done with perfectly straight faces and everyone carried on as normal.
I am not sure who the joke was on, after all I was sat in my own armchair, bit I wondered if there was some spotty type out there taking notes with interest who still believes that SWAT members get personal issue Barretts.

DM

Gundoc wrote:In answer to the question of who does the testing etc.
A unit, whether that be 22 SAS or the 22nd mess tin repair unit decides, we really need a weapon to fill this role.

It goes up the chain and someone agrees, yes the 22nd mess tin repair unit has need of a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. Right they want this one made by plasma rifles uk.

They get one in, along with several others from uk plasma rifles, plasma GB and of course, plasma USA inc.
They get trialled by the unit in question, defence scientific test labs, the Infantry trials and development unit will have input, as will the projects team for plasma rifles at Abbey wood.
They'll go all over the world, hot, cold, wet and dry testing to see which one is the best overall package, including training, maintenance, repair and add ons. A whole life cost will be looked at and then the bean counters will say. Here you go, it's in the budget.

In all honesty, things can and do happen a bit quicker in the murky, black tape world. But generally, everything is decided at a way higher level.

And they aren't above just saying to companies, here, give us a go of xxxxx and we'll see if we like it.

So what happens in a prolonged firefight or contact or battle,when u run out of ammo and use the enemy's (as did some I understand in the falklands) firearms? Do they have to submit those for testing before they get back on with the business of winning the battle?

the running man wrote:

Gundoc wrote:In answer to the question of who does the testing etc.
A unit, whether that be 22 SAS or the 22nd mess tin repair unit decides, we really need a weapon to fill this role.

It goes up the chain and someone agrees, yes the 22nd mess tin repair unit has need of a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. Right they want this one made by plasma rifles uk.

They get one in, along with several others from uk plasma rifles, plasma GB and of course, plasma USA inc.
They get trialled by the unit in question, defence scientific test labs, the Infantry trials and development unit will have input, as will the projects team for plasma rifles at Abbey wood.
They'll go all over the world, hot, cold, wet and dry testing to see which one is the best overall package, including training, maintenance, repair and add ons. A whole life cost will be looked at and then the bean counters will say. Here you go, it's in the budget.

In all honesty, things can and do happen a bit quicker in the murky, black tape world. But generally, everything is decided at a way higher level.

And they aren't above just saying to companies, here, give us a go of xxxxx and we'll see if we like it.

So what happens in a prolonged firefight or contact or battle,when u run out of ammo and use the enemy's (as did some I understand in the falklands) firearms? Do they have to submit those for testing before they get back on with the business of winning the battle?

I think in that instance, its bugger rules and do what you can to survive. You worry about that later.

Sixshot6 wrote:

the running man wrote:

Gundoc wrote:In answer to the question of who does the testing etc.
A unit, whether that be 22 SAS or the 22nd mess tin repair unit decides, we really need a weapon to fill this role.

It goes up the chain and someone agrees, yes the 22nd mess tin repair unit has need of a plasma rifle in the 40 watt range. Right they want this one made by plasma rifles uk.

They get one in, along with several others from uk plasma rifles, plasma GB and of course, plasma USA inc.
They get trialled by the unit in question, defence scientific test labs, the Infantry trials and development unit will have input, as will the projects team for plasma rifles at Abbey wood.
They'll go all over the world, hot, cold, wet and dry testing to see which one is the best overall package, including training, maintenance, repair and add ons. A whole life cost will be looked at and then the bean counters will say. Here you go, it's in the budget.

In all honesty, things can and do happen a bit quicker in the murky, black tape world. But generally, everything is decided at a way higher level.

And they aren't above just saying to companies, here, give us a go of xxxxx and we'll see if we like it.

So what happens in a prolonged firefight or contact or battle,when u run out of ammo and use the enemy's (as did some I understand in the falklands) firearms? Do they have to submit those for testing before they get back on with the business of winning the battle?

I think in that instance, its bugger rules and do what you can to survive. You worry about that later.

I think I might have been using sarcasm.......

It's a shame for all the trolling, I am genuinely curious as to what they use and how they chose it, same applies to the army rifle thread, cut through all the testosterone and there was some good insights there but degenerated into a Walt vs non Walt argument sadly.