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Re: Fire exits in indoor ranges?

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:30 pm
by Demonic69
A battery, PTB switch and a piezo would fix the issue of an open door soon enough. It's not just a matter of sticking it to the old guard, it's about protecting your club from themselves too!
Would they be able to add an extra exit Tiff?

Re: Fire exits in indoor ranges?

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:37 pm
by Tiff
Yes, it would be easy enough to add one, if the risk assessment suggested it was required.

I'm hoping through minimising the risks, there would be no need to put a door in, but I'm curious what approach other clubs have taken.

Also you're spot on, it's not about sticking it to anyone, more a case of suggesting we have to move with the times (legislation) or leave ourselves collectively open to legal action as a members club.

Re: Fire exits in indoor ranges?

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:03 pm
by Egg on Leggs1
As an retired firelighter I would like to add the following.

The fire loading on range is virtually nil so 25 yards is realistic.

Unless you are carelessly storing explosives no fire will start suddenly and certainly won't spread like a Hollywood movie will have you believe.

You are not usually alone in the range?

You can have "locked" fire doors, they have easily broken bolt locks so pose no problem.

The essence of the 2005 act was to make the rules self regulating, as long as it is reasonable it is OK. If you have to you can use the statistic relating to all the ranges that have burnt down in the last x number of years and the associated appalling death toll. tesnews

Gentlemen, please stop inventing problems, there are enough bottom holes out there doing that for us. :good:

Re: Fire exits in indoor ranges?

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 10:38 pm
by Tiff
Egg on Leggs1 wrote:
The fire loading on range is virtually nil so 25 yards is realistic.

Gentlemen, please stop inventing problems, there are enough bottom holes out there doing that for us. :good:
The fire loading on the range currently is quite high for what should be an empty space, but hopefully that will be addressed soon!

It's not so much inventing problems, more trying to find ways 'round' the ones that clearly exist if you care to look:

Quote from JSP403 (quicker than typing NGB advice out and basically the same):

"0312. Doors and Windows. In new ranges, the inclusion of windows in the protected area shall be avoided. The inclusion of doors should be avoided though in some instances, such as fire doors, this may not be possible. In existing buildings all windows and unnecessary doors must be sealed up and rendered impenetrable. The range entrance door should be located behind the rearmost firing point. One other door may be required by the Fire Officer for emergency exit, located down-range. All down-range doors within the protected areas should be flush with the wall otherwise the reveal shall be baffled or clad to prevent backsplash. Down-range doors within the defended area must be impenetrable to any direct fire, ricochet or backsplash with all furniture protected from strike. These doors are to be fitted with a panic bolt, fitted so that its status is obvious to the RCO, or a push bar regardless of other locks, fitted so that its status is obvious to the RCO. All down range doors are to be controlled by the RCO."

I'm hoping if the range is cleared of tonnes of newspapers and a risk assment can be written to show minimal risk it will be ok. However of the 6 indoor ranges I've visited in the area (50 mile radius), all have more than one fire exit as specified by the NSRA/NRA and local fire authority...

Re: Fire exits in indoor ranges?

Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:15 am
by Mezzer
Kenny;

We have a fire exit at the target end of each of our 2 x 25 yard ranges. Both are adequately shielded and open in the direction of travel. A push-bar is used to open both doors and they are checked regularly as part of the club's inspection regime.

Mezzer