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latest I have heard is the RW will no longer be able to give permission to shoot and this will have to be sought from a central location by telephone or similar.

From what I get from the above,

Due to bookings now being centralised, at westdown camp, then it seems they are now going to be rolling out the 'pre approval' of RCO's, on Spta, for the last few years, all wardens have had to liaise with the 24hr ops room when a civvy club books on, they then check that the RCO has previously handed in proof of qualification, held on a database, and if not on this database, then that RCO has not been allowed to sign on the range, the 'unite' Union members are due to strike, and 'work to rule', this means no overtime too.
DIO haven't made any provision for range wardens in the new 'NTEP' contract with Landmarc, and fully (wrongfully) expect the user units to run the range, and make good targetry, there is to be no support for units that don't know how to use sarts, and those units unable to operate the system will be kicked off the range, the whole thing is going to be one massive piece of madness.
There are no 'range wardens' as such anymore, the job titles of any that didn't get redundancy are now 'training area operatives', there is still loads to be sorted, terms and conditions of the 'training area operatives' jobs still hasn't been decided, so anyone carrying over into the new contract have no idea what they are expected to do, nor for what money. So, bear with the guys remaining, it's as frustrating for them as you


Edited by dromia-watch your language on the open forums

Nice to see the governing bodies are on top of the implications of this for shooters, not.

Once again we are speculating and in confusion about the use of MoD ranges and the organisation that the MoD/Landmarc choose to deal with, the NRA, are silent on the matter.

If one was churlish one could say well it doesn't effect Bisley so therefore it has nothing to do with the NRA.

dromia wrote:
If one was churlish one could say well it doesn't effect Bisley so therefore it has nothing to do with the NRA.

I could take that further, it looks like there is a lack of support for us shooters and I do wonder if there are darker forces working in the back ground, not that we shooters need anyone to ruin it for us, we are quite capable of doing that ourselves. Still, the lack of support is alarming.

I know someone that has worked for Landmarc for several years.
They no longer do so, nor has anyone taken over their role since they were made redundant.

I get the impression Landmarc are saving a few quid on wages to the detriment of the end user. Full stop. No Discussion/consultation.

Here's hoping that the MoD/Army feedback means that they're found not fit for purpose & lose their remit, or it's not renewed when it next expires. The pity here is that they've waited for the renewal of their contract THEN done the dirty deed. If they'd implemented their changes pre-contract renewal then a different firm would be running the ranges.

saddler wrote:I know someone that has worked for Landmarc for several years.
They no longer do so, nor has anyone taken over their role since they were made redundant.

I get the impression Landmarc are saving a few quid on wages to the detriment of the end user. Full stop. No Discussion/consultation.

Here's hoping that the MoD/Army feedback means that they're found not fit for purpose & lose their remit, or it's not renewed when it next expires. The pity here is that they've waited for the renewal of their contract THEN done the dirty deed. If they'd implemented their changes pre-contract renewal then a different firm would be running the ranges.

Speaking as ex Landmarc staff, it's DIO who created all the upheaval by specifically leaving range wardens out of the new contract, so it's not actually all landmarcs fault that it's going to pot, in fact, the new contract hardly mentions ranges at all. Oversight by a DIO pen pusher ? Maybe, but when it causes the loss of 30% of the staff across the country, and 95% of range staff (on Spta), you'd think that somebody else might have picked up on that during the bidding process.
The Army are far from happy about the situation, but until DIO make changes to the NTEP contract, Landmarc are fighting a losing battle, and not are they going to supply a service they won't be getting paid for either.

I don't know what DIO means.
I don't know what Spta means.
I don't know what NTEP means.

I do know that the club I belong to have no problems with range booking. Running of ranges starting stopping times or our local range wardens.

I don't know what DIO means.
I don't know what Spta means.
I don't know what NTEP means.

DIO = Defence Infrastructure Organisation
SPTA = Salisbury Plain Training Area
NTEP = National Training Estate Prime


Try using Google instead of acting like the helpless old man. I knew what SPTA is and a quick Google told me what the other two are.

There is now an Range Aide Memoire on the NRA website under 'downloads', 'all downloads', 'members info'.

JohnG :cornwall:

Is it any good?