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saddler wrote:

Graham M wrote:The SAK won't BE listed on the FAC. It will simply be shown as "No name" or something similar, so it would be impossible to prove anything.
G.M.

Did you READ the wording on the original post?

I've got a .22rf with a SAK moderator (on my certificate obviously)

Yes I did, and I too have a SAK for my 17Hmr "Listed on my ticket".......but it is listed as "No name" and as such I could, if I really wanted to, buy a Parker-Hale moderator for an air rifle, and change them around and no-one would be the wiser.
As Christel has said, it would be an offence to use a moderator from an air rifle on a firearm..... IF you didn't have said moderator listed on your firearm. But as you do not need a licence to own a moderator for your air rifle then using one from a firearm does not constitute an offence.

G.M.

Graham M wrote: As Christel has said, it would be an offence to use a moderator from an air rifle on a firearm..... IF you didn't have said moderator listed on your firearm. But as you do not need a licence to own a moderator for your air rifle then using one from a firearm does not constitute an offence.

G.M.

It was Ovenpaa who said it...

the info i sent to the police when i bought the SAK was a scan of the printout supplied from the RFD, as follows

serial number - NVN
Type - sound moderator
make - SAK
model - 1/2" UNF
calibre - .22lr
mechanism -baffles 1/2" unf
condition - new

Do remember that (in theory at least) the suppressor fitted to a firearm should be in Proof. I say in theory as there are many which are not. The Proof of suppressors is a matter of much discussion between the manufacturers, Proof Houses, FET's and RFd's.

zzr1100 wrote:the info i sent to the police when i bought the SAK was a scan of the printout supplied from the RFD, as follows

serial number - NVN
Type - sound moderator
make - SAK
model - 1/2" UNF
calibre - .22lr
mechanism -baffles 1/2" unf
condition - new

And how is it written onto your FAC?

G.M.

Whatever you for do not blow peas throw it or you will a, become a firearms and b , need to get yourself proofed!

DM

the RFD wrote it on my FAC the same

And my RFD wrote it onto my FAC as well, but when I sent my ticket in for a variation I got the new one back with all the moderators listed as "UNKNOWN, (just looked at my FAC) as no doubt will you when you have a new FAC.
Anyway I think we are now just going around in circles, so I will leave it as a case of agreeing to disagree.



G.M.

Ovenpaa - got to disagree. there is no requirement to have ANY firearm in proof, much less a mod. You only need to do so upon sale, because the offence is the sale of an unproven firearm, not the ownership thereof.

Remember that an FAC dictates the ownership of the listed items, not, unless on conditions, their use. A SAK mod without serial number, so all of them, can be used on an air rifle because there is no restriction on air rifle moderators. Used in conjunction with a S1 gun, the mod is at that point covered, but nothing says it can't also be used in a de-restricted context.

Mr_Logic wrote:Ovenpaa - got to disagree. there is no requirement to have ANY firearm in proof, much less a mod. You only need to do so upon sale, because the offence is the sale of an unproven firearm, not the ownership thereof.

Remember that an FAC dictates the ownership of the listed items, not, unless on conditions, their use. A SAK mod without serial number, so all of them, can be used on an air rifle because there is no restriction on air rifle moderators. Used in conjunction with a S1 gun, the mod is at that point covered, but nothing says it can't also be used in a de-restricted context.

I believe there is no requirement to have sound moderators proved before sale, or at any other time.

Legal Counsel has now confirmed that:
A sound moderator is not a “part” of a “small arm” for the purposes of the Proof Acts.
There is no requirement in law for a sound moderator to be subject to proof.
The cutting of a screw thread on a barrel in order to affix a sound moderator is most unlikely to “unduly reduce it in substance or strength”, although each case will depend on its own facts.

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