Shooting rest or bag?

[Demonic69]

Who does 1 piece rods?
How would you clean a semi-auto? Rod in through the barrel with no jag, patch etc then attach the jag and patch?
Cheers

[DaveT]

Not sure what sort of shooting you are planning on BUT best to zero and shoot (for real) with the same setup if possible.

Have you considered a simple bipod and rear bag/sand-sock setup?....much more portable than front bags or complicated rests.

[snayperskaya]

Can someone explain how a boresnake damages the crown of a barrel?, surely if it is pulled out square to the bore it couldn't do any noticeable damage could It?......nylon and copper vs steel???.

[dromia]

Bore snakes are absolutely fine if used properly and you are aware of its limitations.

Like all pull throughs it must not touch the crown when being pulled through.

It will never replace a rod and jag for thorough cleaning but I carry one for a quick pass through with some Eds Red after a shoot 'till I get round to a proper clean. Also I use a lot of cast boolits and once the bore is "seasoned" then a pull through is all it needs although I tend to use my Otis for that as it can be used without the bristle brush. Also nothing at all wrong with the old No4 pull through, without the gauze, for this as well.

Pull though cleaners like the bore snake and the Otis system are also handy on the hill where you want to have a quick clean but don't want to be lumbered carrying the rod, they are also useful for under levers, Martini's and the like where roding from the muzzle with out a protector can also damage the crown.

I use good quality cleaning rods and jags including, Dewey, Proshot and Parker Hale, the pull throughs will never replace them but they do have a place in my cleaning regime where the rod isn't an option.

Still each to his own and those who damn them to hell will have their own experiences, bad usually means misuse, so look at your needs and your ability and get kit suitable to them.

If you don't want the bore snake then send it to me I'll happily use it without damaging my muzzle crowns.

[kennyc]

Who does 1 piece rods?
How would you clean a semi-auto? Rod in through the barrel with no jag, patch etc then attach the jag and patch?
Cheers

with my AUG I just field strip it, takes about 30 secs ,then rod it, or bore-snake it, as long as you keep the cord straight and off the crown theres no problem, my K31 has been cleaned with a pull through for the last 70 odd years and the crown is still OK

[Demonic69]

Not sure what sort of shooting you are planning on BUT best to zero and shoot (for real) with the same setup if possible.

Have you considered a simple bipod and rear bag/sand-sock setup?....much more portable than front bags or complicated rests.

Hi DaveT
I've not thought about it that way. I assumed that if the rifle was zeroed as well as could be, then any deviation would be shooter error.
How would I go about zeroing it for different shooting positions?

Back to the cleaning rod, what's wrong with multi-section rods? Where can I get rod guides from? Do I need one for .22LR? Are there any kits with all I need? Why can't I stop thinking about the end of a cheesy 70/80 American TV show?

Cheers!

[Stuck]

Hmm,

Cleaning Rimfires ...

Let the arguments commence!

tesnews

Why would you want to zero a rifle for different shooting positions?

Point of impact relative to point of aim will be the same regardless of position.

[Maggot]

Boresnakes/Pull throughs V rods is a simple one if you think about it.


The pull through was designed to be tucked into the cat flap in the rifles butt. There have been screw together rods issued, but by and large they were for section weapons where spare barrels etc were carried.

Carrying a 4 foot rod would not be all that practical so the pull through was borne and it is, unless properly used, not ideal.

Very few (if any people I know who shoot for sport) have to field strip and clean, we dont have gas affected parts to worry about these days either tesnews so do yourself a favour and get a nice proshot rod and spear point jag and a loop.

Dont for god sakes put a corded device down a precision barrel, not if you dont need to.

Then buy some C2R cleaner and oil.

Bosh, rifle barrel care sorted....although given a choice I would use a Tipton carbon rod I prefer them.

As regards front bags, baboon castrators, scaffolding, MTM lazy cant be arsed to breath in the right direction type devises...man up man!!

Buy a decent bipod and use a rear bag if you have to...better your hand under the toe of the butt to control fine elevation.

Unless you are a gay bar F/TR shot like me but that's part of the sport I guess

I was watching some prawn expounding how clever he was getting a V bull on a TR target with his No4....with rear bag....bipod....add on scope...flat calm.....300 cant repeat my comments.

Try shooting with a sandbag to support you forearm, or maybe with a sling, the results are much more satisfying.

[Maggot]

Hmm,

Cleaning Rimfires ...

Let the arguments commence!

tesnews

Why would you want to zero a rifle for different shooting positions?

Point of impact relative to point of aim will be the same regardless of position.

Hi Stuck. Nope, got me there too.

You zero from a primary most used/steady position then you work on the other positions until the MPI stays the same or you learn to compensate with the POA.

You will get slight changes but it is more to do with head position and how the rifle/body position inter react, which is why I hate rests/benches unless that is how you intend to shoot always.

I would always zero off of a bipod as I shoot F/TR, the Lee off of a sling, etc etc.

[Demonic69]

Why would you want to zero a rifle for different shooting positions?

Point of impact relative to point of aim will be the same regardless of position.

That's what I thought, so, surely, an almost perfectly sighted rifle should work fine regardless of position?
Can I zero a scope so well off a bipod with my hand? That's normally how I shoot anyway. Great if that's the case

Holy violated-rectum! The cleaning gear aint cheap! I could buy a rifle, or a months worth of shooting for a basic proshot setup :(